1 00:00:09,180 --> 00:00:21,749 [Music] 2 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:24,999 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:31,380 --> 00:00:29,110 standard of paranormal radio now here's 4 00:00:35,709 --> 00:00:31,390 gene Stein 5 00:00:38,410 --> 00:00:35,719 so Michael Allen is testing his 6 00:00:41,139 --> 00:00:38,420 brand-new microphone he's got a 7 00:00:45,279 --> 00:00:41,149 microphones bearing the same brand name 8 00:00:49,060 --> 00:00:45,289 as a toy my dog teddy bear uses it's 9 00:00:50,739 --> 00:00:49,070 called Yeti well that's just awesome you 10 00:00:52,869 --> 00:00:50,749 know that made you know that that just 11 00:00:54,130 --> 00:00:52,879 gives me so much confidence that I'm 12 00:00:57,220 --> 00:00:54,140 gonna be able to get through the show 13 00:00:59,950 --> 00:00:57,230 correctly my mic is a toy that's played 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:00:59,960 with no I'm sorry I'm just gonna it 15 00:01:05,229 --> 00:01:03,970 feels great when his teeth bite into it 16 00:01:08,110 --> 00:01:05,239 right 17 00:01:10,780 --> 00:01:08,120 MJ nice please tell us what kind of mics 18 00:01:13,810 --> 00:01:10,790 you're using I don't have a mic I'm just 19 00:01:16,749 --> 00:01:13,820 using my laptop onboard mic that's not 20 00:01:19,679 --> 00:01:16,759 bad sounding onboard mic sounds pretty 21 00:01:22,209 --> 00:01:19,689 good to me semi congratulations to Mike 22 00:01:24,910 --> 00:01:22,219 you know seriously folks Chris Chris 23 00:01:27,130 --> 00:01:24,920 O'Brien is on extended vacation and we 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:27,140 brought MJ bonus here because he always 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:29,329 has fascinating these things to say he 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:31,490 wrote a really interesting article for 27 00:01:36,249 --> 00:01:34,610 Robbie Grahams UFOs reframing the debate 28 00:01:38,830 --> 00:01:36,259 look into that and some of the new stuff 29 00:01:42,029 --> 00:01:38,840 he's written but I came across a book 30 00:01:46,389 --> 00:01:42,039 the other day the author bought me a 31 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:46,399 deep-dish pizza Charles Wesley Orton and 32 00:01:51,550 --> 00:01:48,969 the book is called listen to this folks 33 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:51,560 everything you always wanted to know 34 00:01:57,810 --> 00:01:54,890 about things you never knew you wanted 35 00:02:00,429 --> 00:01:57,820 to know anything about it's a good title 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:00,439 well did the first title was don't worry 37 00:02:07,270 --> 00:02:04,090 we'll think of a title but I'm kidding 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:07,280 it has really interesting articles here 39 00:02:14,050 --> 00:02:11,090 the history of toilet paper from its 40 00:02:16,270 --> 00:02:14,060 origins in China to the present now 41 00:02:18,330 --> 00:02:16,280 before they invented toilet paper I 42 00:02:22,790 --> 00:02:18,340 can't ask that question it's just not 43 00:02:27,710 --> 00:02:22,800 appropriate from monastery to mall the 44 00:02:29,450 --> 00:02:27,720 history of the pretzel okay yeah yeah 45 00:02:34,850 --> 00:02:29,460 the naked truth 46 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:34,860 a history of bathing okay this one I'll 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:37,710 give you only because it's something we 48 00:02:44,590 --> 00:02:40,410 all have to suffer through history of 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:44,600 the birthday cake all right okay 50 00:02:50,930 --> 00:02:47,970 fascinating things so far yeah so far 51 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:50,940 you you really just turn it up gene you 52 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:53,490 see some people believe that the best 53 00:02:57,010 --> 00:02:55,170 way to start a show is with something 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:02:57,020 that really hits them between the eyes I 55 00:03:03,140 --> 00:02:59,130 was thinking do I either hit them 56 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:03,150 between the eyes or do I present 57 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:06,810 something that is so bad that everything 58 00:03:12,010 --> 00:03:10,200 passed it has to be better I think that 59 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:12,020 the second option will go with that one 60 00:03:18,230 --> 00:03:16,080 right anyway MJ I've seen some 61 00:03:21,590 --> 00:03:18,240 interesting columns on your site when it 62 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:21,600 went up a couple of weeks back and you 63 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:25,290 have this thing called Tara obscura your 64 00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:28,290 blog yep and you have an article here 65 00:03:34,910 --> 00:03:30,000 and this is almost a tongue twister of a 66 00:03:38,229 --> 00:03:34,920 title you follow jocose seppuku why we 67 00:03:41,740 --> 00:03:38,239 shouldn't disembowel move on just yet 68 00:03:44,780 --> 00:03:41,750 now I have kind of mixed feelings about 69 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:44,790 whether we should or shouldn't all right 70 00:03:49,100 --> 00:03:47,130 thank you Groucho Marx where he said I 71 00:03:53,030 --> 00:03:49,110 would never join a club that would have 72 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:53,040 me as a member there you go there's 73 00:03:56,900 --> 00:03:53,910 actually pretty wise 74 00:03:58,729 --> 00:03:56,910 I probably shouldn't either but yeah I 75 00:04:00,290 --> 00:03:58,739 kind of agree with you I I don't know 76 00:04:02,150 --> 00:04:00,300 where I stand yet either I wrote the 77 00:04:04,430 --> 00:04:02,160 article and and I have a position in it 78 00:04:06,410 --> 00:04:04,440 but you know the positions change over 79 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:06,420 time maybe especially since I wrote a 80 00:04:09,490 --> 00:04:08,250 couple weeks ago my mind has changed a 81 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:09,500 little bit in the last couple weeks but 82 00:04:14,690 --> 00:04:12,090 yeah I sort of stand by my work I'll 83 00:04:18,490 --> 00:04:14,700 stand by my words at least for now tell 84 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:18,500 our listeners briefly what this is about 85 00:04:23,659 --> 00:04:22,530 sure so for anyone who doesn't know 86 00:04:26,180 --> 00:04:23,669 MUFON 87 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:26,190 about four or five months ago hired on 88 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:30,030 the new a brand new director of research 89 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:33,810 and he was a scientist by NOAA Chris 90 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:35,850 Cogswell he's a PhD I believe in 91 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:36,620 chemistry 92 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:39,810 or biology okay now see now I don't 93 00:04:44,630 --> 00:04:42,720 remember but he's a PhD for sure in in a 94 00:04:46,940 --> 00:04:44,640 field he has his own podcast called the 95 00:04:48,530 --> 00:04:46,950 mad scientist podcast and overall he was 96 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:48,540 sort of a nice breath of fresh air I 97 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:51,450 think for a move on top brass you know 98 00:04:55,970 --> 00:04:53,850 definitely science minded definitely a 99 00:04:57,290 --> 00:04:55,980 good sort of pedigree for a for an 100 00:05:00,260 --> 00:04:57,300 organization that claims to be a 101 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:00,270 scientific organization anyway a few 102 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:04,170 weeks ago he decided to leave MUFON only 103 00:05:07,970 --> 00:05:05,970 after a short four months of sort of 104 00:05:11,180 --> 00:05:07,980 being their director in other words he 105 00:05:12,620 --> 00:05:11,190 stayed at MUFON even less than some of 106 00:05:15,380 --> 00:05:12,630 the people who worked for Donald Trump 107 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:15,390 there you go he quit he didn't get fired 108 00:05:23,060 --> 00:05:19,650 and it all kind of came down to a 109 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:23,070 certain former state director by the 110 00:05:29,690 --> 00:05:25,710 name of John venturi who a year ago or 111 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:29,700 so publicly went on a sort of racist 112 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:32,010 tirade and there was a lot of politics 113 00:05:36,260 --> 00:05:34,410 and drama that occurred as a result and 114 00:05:38,330 --> 00:05:36,270 I guess in the last couple weeks mr. 115 00:05:41,510 --> 00:05:38,340 Cogswell found out that mr. venturi was 116 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:41,520 still involved with MUFON even though 117 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:43,890 MUFON publicly stated that he was no 118 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:45,930 longer involved apart from just being a 119 00:05:51,530 --> 00:05:48,800 journal receiver and a paying member so 120 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:51,540 mr. Cogswell sort of being I guess 121 00:05:56,690 --> 00:05:54,990 disappointed with Mullins leadership in 122 00:05:59,390 --> 00:05:56,700 allowing mr. venture to sort of still 123 00:06:01,730 --> 00:05:59,400 participate in various things for the 124 00:06:05,180 --> 00:06:01,740 organization he decided to serve as an 125 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:05,190 act of conscience to to leave and that's 126 00:06:10,340 --> 00:06:07,650 sort of where this article I guess sort 127 00:06:13,220 --> 00:06:10,350 of began or at least got its root of the 128 00:06:17,420 --> 00:06:13,230 idea so that is a background 129 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:17,430 well the Twitter entry is just me it's 130 00:06:23,090 --> 00:06:20,010 it's awful let me have you know I was 131 00:06:25,370 --> 00:06:23,100 reading through it and I just I mean 132 00:06:28,250 --> 00:06:25,380 weird where do people come up with these 133 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:28,260 ideas that you're speaking of mister 134 00:06:32,990 --> 00:06:30,360 you're saying mr. venturi sort of yeah 135 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:33,000 yeah he posted something you you have it 136 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:34,050 on your blog 137 00:06:39,890 --> 00:06:36,210 here you posted his Twitter I mean it's 138 00:06:42,260 --> 00:06:39,900 just I mean I I can't I don't even know 139 00:06:45,020 --> 00:06:42,270 where to start I mean something like 140 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:45,030 this when you it's just it's it's 141 00:06:50,450 --> 00:06:48,090 outrageous yeah all right just you know 142 00:06:52,010 --> 00:06:50,460 I think as I've sort of been 143 00:06:54,529 --> 00:06:52,020 researching this and sort of as people 144 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:54,539 been contacting me sort of after writing 145 00:06:59,330 --> 00:06:57,210 it I think there's a general feeling at 146 00:07:01,339 --> 00:06:59,340 least from some of mr. venturi sort of 147 00:07:04,339 --> 00:07:01,349 personal associates or friends that he 148 00:07:07,430 --> 00:07:04,349 definitely sort of regrets it happening 149 00:07:08,990 --> 00:07:07,440 that's sort of how it sounds whether he 150 00:07:11,029 --> 00:07:09,000 were whether he thinks his words are 151 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:11,039 still true or false or whether he thinks 152 00:07:17,990 --> 00:07:13,110 its words are true and whether he has 153 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:18,000 sort of changed his tune let's say in 154 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:20,130 regards to his personal opinions 155 00:07:24,260 --> 00:07:22,110 regarding african-americans I don't know 156 00:07:28,029 --> 00:07:24,270 but he definitely regrets the whole 157 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:28,039 thing I mean he was you know relatively 158 00:07:34,820 --> 00:07:31,440 established state director for MUFON 159 00:07:39,409 --> 00:07:34,830 definitely sort of being bred for 160 00:07:42,110 --> 00:07:39,419 command and he that's one who got all 161 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:42,120 thrown away for him because you sound 162 00:07:45,140 --> 00:07:43,530 like somebody who gives somebody at a 163 00:07:49,580 --> 00:07:45,150 benefit of the doubt and I mean I've 164 00:07:53,689 --> 00:07:49,590 read your article on just as a kind of a 165 00:07:57,710 --> 00:07:53,699 contrast or comparison your article on 166 00:08:00,409 --> 00:07:57,720 the mire i'm billy meier is i think you 167 00:08:02,570 --> 00:08:00,419 you really really try to understand 168 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:02,580 somebody where they're coming from and 169 00:08:08,390 --> 00:08:05,250 try to see something anything of value 170 00:08:10,580 --> 00:08:08,400 and what they have to say and I I think 171 00:08:13,730 --> 00:08:10,590 that's a good thing it's something that 172 00:08:15,260 --> 00:08:13,740 I do I try to always give people the 173 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:15,270 benefit of the doubt and try to give 174 00:08:20,330 --> 00:08:17,250 them a chance to kind of fix themselves 175 00:08:22,129 --> 00:08:20,340 but you know there's at some players a 176 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00:08:57,820 they can't really throw him out 191 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:00,490 that is fine freedom of speech is fine 192 00:09:06,270 --> 00:09:04,210 but when you increments it with very 193 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:06,280 public activities I think you have to 194 00:09:11,070 --> 00:09:08,710 show a degree of discretion here and 195 00:09:14,790 --> 00:09:11,080 that's the problem we see with the sky 196 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:14,800 venturi that he has no discretion 197 00:09:20,190 --> 00:09:17,290 whatsoever about expressing these views 198 00:09:21,750 --> 00:09:20,200 and maybe he feels the political climate 199 00:09:23,070 --> 00:09:21,760 allows it and I don't want to get into 200 00:09:26,820 --> 00:09:23,080 politics because when we get into 201 00:09:28,470 --> 00:09:26,830 politics and the power kiss - they get 202 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:28,480 pretty weird and I don't want to get 203 00:09:33,090 --> 00:09:30,310 weirder than we already are we've got em 204 00:09:35,040 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forums or forum doctor 316 00:14:56,930 --> 00:14:53,160 para cast com so we were talking about 317 00:14:59,000 --> 00:14:56,940 an article here from MJ from his blog 318 00:15:01,720 --> 00:14:59,010 called tera obscura 319 00:15:05,420 --> 00:15:01,730 it's called you falah djegal seppuku why 320 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:05,430 we shouldn't disembowel wolf on just yet 321 00:15:11,180 --> 00:15:08,130 so now that their new director of 322 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:11,190 research is toast he left we should get 323 00:15:16,730 --> 00:15:13,110 him on the show soon what do we do with 324 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:16,740 MUFON yeah and a reason in the article I 325 00:15:21,830 --> 00:15:19,470 have to be honest like obviously I find 326 00:15:24,830 --> 00:15:21,840 what mr. Ventre said to sort of be you 327 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:24,840 know despicable but I think the bigger 328 00:15:29,750 --> 00:15:28,290 issue was mr. Hartheim Jon Carson the 329 00:15:33,170 --> 00:15:29,760 executive director of MUFON his 330 00:15:36,170 --> 00:15:33,180 immediate response which was sort of 331 00:15:39,530 --> 00:15:36,180 promptly deleted the post lasted maybe a 332 00:15:42,830 --> 00:15:39,540 day or two until it sort of was removed 333 00:15:45,470 --> 00:15:42,840 from Mullins website and I have the a 334 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:45,480 screenshot of it on on the article if 335 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:47,730 you want to read it the one sort of 336 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:50,930 problematic statement is is he sort of 337 00:15:56,210 --> 00:15:53,610 suggests that everyone who found mr. of 338 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:56,220 entries post despicable and publicly 339 00:16:00,290 --> 00:15:58,130 sort of said they found it despicable 340 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:00,300 sort of referred to all those people as 341 00:16:06,020 --> 00:16:02,850 haters and then you know haters are 342 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:06,030 basically gonna hate and obviously you 343 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:09,570 know this is awful this is sort of a 344 00:16:12,530 --> 00:16:11,010 response that you don't want to have 345 00:16:13,310 --> 00:16:12,540 from someone who's in charge of an 346 00:16:14,510 --> 00:16:13,320 organized 347 00:16:16,190 --> 00:16:14,520 know that it's an organization 348 00:16:17,900 --> 00:16:16,200 organization that's devoted to sort of a 349 00:16:19,579 --> 00:16:17,910 public service in regards to 350 00:16:21,620 --> 00:16:19,589 investigating the UFO sightings 351 00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:21,630 especially investing you know UFO 352 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:23,160 sightings first sort of everyone right 353 00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:24,930 and you know no matter what sort of 354 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:27,360 cultural background is so I think there 355 00:16:33,290 --> 00:16:29,370 was a big slip up on mr. Carson's part 356 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:33,300 to some deal with mr. Venturi's comment 357 00:16:37,730 --> 00:16:35,730 and that's kind of my fundamental 358 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:37,740 problem I think with the overall 359 00:16:42,199 --> 00:16:40,170 situation has a sort of played out now 360 00:16:44,329 --> 00:16:42,209 in regards to move on you know I kind of 361 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:44,339 say in the article you know I don't want 362 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:45,810 to actually go to war with MUFON I have 363 00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:47,370 no interest in going to war with MUFON I 364 00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:51,720 think MUFON has hundreds of excellent 365 00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:53,790 field investigators I would say they 366 00:16:57,079 --> 00:16:55,440 have hundreds who aren't excellent but 367 00:16:58,850 --> 00:16:57,089 they have hundreds who are excellent and 368 00:17:02,630 --> 00:16:58,860 they have hard-working volunteers and 369 00:17:05,419 --> 00:17:02,640 dedicated people and unfortunately for a 370 00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:05,429 lot of them that's their only sort of 371 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:07,439 way to investigate UFOs it's their only 372 00:17:11,809 --> 00:17:09,890 way to engage with the UFO phenomenon 373 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:11,819 because they just don't have the ability 374 00:17:16,370 --> 00:17:14,850 or the the financial ability or the 375 00:17:17,809 --> 00:17:16,380 wherewithal to sort of set up their own 376 00:17:19,819 --> 00:17:17,819 organizations or set up their own 377 00:17:21,679 --> 00:17:19,829 investigative outfits or or have their 378 00:17:23,090 --> 00:17:21,689 own blogs or whatever they're just they 379 00:17:25,939 --> 00:17:23,100 they investigate from move on and 380 00:17:27,679 --> 00:17:25,949 they're great so I don't necessarily 381 00:17:30,290 --> 00:17:27,689 think we should sort of like I say 382 00:17:33,650 --> 00:17:30,300 disembowel MUFON but I do think that the 383 00:17:35,330 --> 00:17:33,660 leadership here is a fault ultimately 384 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:35,340 this all sort of happened and it all 385 00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:37,410 played out the way it did under the 386 00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:40,559 watch of mr. Carson and his sort of top 387 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:44,940 brass and ultimately my article using 388 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:48,809 the the seppuku sort of idea is based 389 00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:53,490 out of Japanese sort of honor suicide in 390 00:17:58,580 --> 00:17:55,980 that when the leadership fails the 391 00:18:00,650 --> 00:17:58,590 leadership is responsible to gain its 392 00:18:01,790 --> 00:18:00,660 honor back and and for the leadership to 393 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:01,800 do that obviously they they sort of 394 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:03,809 commit this ritual disembowelment now in 395 00:18:06,860 --> 00:18:05,010 my article I clearly state you know 396 00:18:09,650 --> 00:18:06,870 please don't disembowel yourself 397 00:18:12,650 --> 00:18:09,660 MUFON top brass your lives are precious 398 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:12,660 and if they did they blame you I'm sure 399 00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,730 they would you know but I sort of say 400 00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:16,320 that again in your leg I don't want 401 00:18:20,780 --> 00:18:18,900 anybody to die but I think the honorable 402 00:18:23,299 --> 00:18:20,790 thing to do for some members especially 403 00:18:25,910 --> 00:18:23,309 sort of some of the higher-ups who let 404 00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:25,920 this all go down on their watch and 405 00:18:31,850 --> 00:18:28,320 it might be time to resign it might be 406 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:31,860 time to let move on have new leadership 407 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:35,810 and a leadership that is maybe more 408 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:38,930 conducive to you know being proactive 409 00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:40,890 instead of reactive 410 00:18:47,180 --> 00:18:44,700 especially in responding to sort of 411 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:47,190 issues of race or issues of sexism 412 00:18:53,570 --> 00:18:50,400 within ufology well it gets back to your 413 00:18:57,410 --> 00:18:53,580 point about the democratization the 414 00:19:01,820 --> 00:18:57,420 point you made in your essay the UFO the 415 00:19:04,780 --> 00:19:01,830 entire framework the entire culture is a 416 00:19:07,850 --> 00:19:04,790 democratization of information sharing 417 00:19:10,990 --> 00:19:07,860 which and I think that what you're 418 00:19:15,710 --> 00:19:11,000 looking at you know it makes sense that 419 00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:15,720 you'd have a kind of there'd be a slower 420 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:19,200 process in trying to weed out pull these 421 00:19:23,900 --> 00:19:21,930 weeds out of the and not something that 422 00:19:27,070 --> 00:19:23,910 would just happen and you know 423 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:27,080 automatically in an authoritarian system 424 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:29,700 that's one thing that I think that maybe 425 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:31,770 in today may be an interesting kind of 426 00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:35,490 you know tie into your essay um which 427 00:19:41,060 --> 00:19:37,500 was very interesting by red thread that 428 00:19:43,970 --> 00:19:41,070 was I was really fascinated by at hub so 429 00:19:45,530 --> 00:19:43,980 that I think that that's probably what 430 00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:45,540 you're looking at is this is another 431 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:51,120 case example of how we we especially 432 00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:55,260 when he said when the the response that 433 00:20:00,890 --> 00:19:59,250 was taken down is saying let's listen to 434 00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:00,900 what somebody says and let's have a 435 00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:03,630 dialogue about it I think that that's 436 00:20:09,050 --> 00:20:06,960 gonna that the problem is is a we're 437 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:09,060 gonna run in you're gonna run into a 438 00:20:13,310 --> 00:20:11,850 kind of an automatic knee-jerk reaction 439 00:20:15,860 --> 00:20:13,320 it's kind of like the me to movement 440 00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:15,870 you're gonna and it's valid it's 441 00:20:19,910 --> 00:20:18,240 completely valid you just there are 442 00:20:22,370 --> 00:20:19,920 things that you just don't say in 443 00:20:24,620 --> 00:20:22,380 political discourse and I think the 444 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:24,630 problem is is that you're dealing in a 445 00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:28,110 with a kind of a cultural framework that 446 00:20:33,770 --> 00:20:32,190 is used to listening and taking things 447 00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:33,780 for what they are and letting people 448 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:35,940 speak their minds and I think you you 449 00:20:39,650 --> 00:20:37,050 have a kind of a double-edged sword 450 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:39,660 there well you also have a problem 451 00:20:44,210 --> 00:20:41,450 these days which is the false 452 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,220 equivalency problem where you assume 453 00:20:49,970 --> 00:20:46,080 that all viewpoints have equal value 454 00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:49,980 yeah even if their patent nonsense now 455 00:20:56,660 --> 00:20:53,520 as I said if someone has hate in their 456 00:20:59,060 --> 00:20:56,670 hearts they shouldn't make it an issue 457 00:21:01,460 --> 00:20:59,070 that can be attached to their employer 458 00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:01,470 and organization they work with the 459 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:03,660 other thing here is with Jan horizon-- 460 00:21:06,740 --> 00:21:05,250 he's a really nice guy I've had him on 461 00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:06,750 the power cast a few times 462 00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:09,270 the issue here is he's tried to 463 00:21:15,470 --> 00:21:13,440 commercialize MUFON to boost membership 464 00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:15,480 he does things that he thinks will 465 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:17,880 attract an audience that's why we have 466 00:21:23,330 --> 00:21:19,850 the hangar one show with its 467 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:23,340 semi-fictional approach that's why we 468 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:26,130 had last year's MUFON conference where 469 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:28,170 some pretty wacky viewpoints and some 470 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:30,780 pretty whacked-out people came there to 471 00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:33,330 present their wacky viewpoints because 472 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:35,180 he felt they would attract an audience 473 00:21:41,930 --> 00:21:39,570 not to research UFOs in fact these days 474 00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:41,940 even though there are many dedicated 475 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:44,700 researchers with MUFON you get the 476 00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:48,050 distinct impression they are more into 477 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:51,480 evangelizing the word and the truth 478 00:21:57,980 --> 00:21:54,410 about the UFO arrival not so much as 479 00:22:00,920 --> 00:21:57,990 we've got this strange phenomenon what's 480 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:00,930 causing it they're not interested in 481 00:22:04,790 --> 00:22:02,370 solving the UFO mystery they're 482 00:22:07,070 --> 00:22:04,800 interested in presenting the wackiest 483 00:22:09,380 --> 00:22:07,080 wildest sightings and lectures possible 484 00:22:11,150 --> 00:22:09,390 so people will renew their memberships 485 00:22:12,770 --> 00:22:11,160 and that's just be really really 486 00:22:15,290 --> 00:22:12,780 unfortunate let me just tell you that 487 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:15,300 we've got the power cast plus with the 488 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:17,730 exclusive after the power cast podcast 489 00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:20,490 we have the power cast special version 490 00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:22,860 free of network ads you'll learn more if 491 00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:26,400 you go to plus stop our cast com+ not 492 00:22:32,780 --> 00:22:29,820 the power cast come MJ bonus joins us 493 00:22:35,330 --> 00:22:32,790 blogger UFO researcher etc and we'll ask 494 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:35,340 about the etc in a moment and Michael 495 00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:38,510 Allen boasting of his new Yeti Mike 496 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,419 [Music] 497 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:52,370 you are listening to GCN 498 00:23:00,530 --> 00:22:58,410 visit GCN live.com 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this actually in regards to sort 612 00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:17,860 of what was said in the previous segment 613 00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:21,279 do you know it's interesting because my 614 00:27:25,649 --> 00:27:23,950 interest in UFOs while I do find the 615 00:27:28,889 --> 00:27:25,659 phenomena and fascinating I'm relatively 616 00:27:31,169 --> 00:27:28,899 agnostic as to the source or really what 617 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:31,179 it is my my interest in UFOs is more 618 00:27:36,690 --> 00:27:34,750 cultural and studying and and exploring 619 00:27:39,539 --> 00:27:36,700 sort of the UFO community and the U of a 620 00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:39,549 subculture as a thing in and of itself 621 00:27:46,860 --> 00:27:43,000 in the bird's-eye view of the UFO 622 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:46,870 community itself you have this I think 623 00:27:52,169 --> 00:27:49,090 divided and it's not a clean divide but 624 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:52,179 you have a divide between what I would 625 00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:54,570 like to sort of call the UFO researcher 626 00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,760 sort of the field investigator that sort 627 00:28:01,500 --> 00:27:59,679 of type of person and then you sort of 628 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:01,510 have what I call like the characters of 629 00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:04,330 ufology and these would sort of be the 630 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:07,390 quarry goods the David Wilcock the 631 00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,110 Steven Greer's who like you say 632 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:14,080 evangelize right their intention here is 633 00:28:22,590 --> 00:28:17,710 not necessarily bring any evidence or 634 00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:22,600 truth or factual information to sort of 635 00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:26,080 in an attempt to demystify or an attempt 636 00:28:29,970 --> 00:28:27,460 to piece the puzzle together in regards 637 00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:29,980 to UFOs they've already come to a 638 00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,070 conclusion somehow whether they just 639 00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:35,919 made it up or whether maybe they had an 640 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:38,830 experience but they like you said are 641 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,690 trying to convince people of their of 642 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:45,760 their belief system of their theology 643 00:28:52,139 --> 00:28:49,690 and it's interesting to note that in 644 00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:52,149 this whole sort of you Falah jicka 645 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:55,809 landscape MUFON is is struggling to find 646 00:29:00,269 --> 00:28:57,730 members I think currently the membership 647 00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,279 is probably you know roughly 3,000 648 00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:02,799 members with a maybe 400 field 649 00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:05,679 investigators that sounds less than it 650 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:06,480 used to be 651 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:09,730 it's definitely low and you look at 652 00:29:13,770 --> 00:29:11,770 someone like Corey Goode or you look at 653 00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:13,780 someone like David Wilcock 654 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:16,960 who probably have a following in the 655 00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:20,710 tens of thousands of individuals who buy 656 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:22,780 their books and and and follow them on 657 00:29:28,530 --> 00:29:26,170 Twitter and Facebook and you know attend 658 00:29:30,210 --> 00:29:28,540 their lectures and all that stuff so so 659 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:30,220 you know MUFON is in this curious 660 00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:32,050 position because I think as an 661 00:29:37,530 --> 00:29:35,380 organization that initially started with 662 00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:37,540 the intent of attempting to piece 663 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:40,870 together the UFO phenomenon it has now 664 00:29:45,690 --> 00:29:43,570 almost been replaced by this evangelical 665 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:45,700 movement this sort of theological UFO 666 00:29:49,770 --> 00:29:48,850 movement and and the characters and I 667 00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:49,780 and I and there are definitely 668 00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,700 characters like that I can't sit here 669 00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:52,960 and say that Corey Goode and David 670 00:29:58,610 --> 00:29:56,200 Wilcock don't play characters whether 671 00:30:02,910 --> 00:29:58,620 they're honest or not I don't know but 672 00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:02,920 they're definitely sort of actors on a 673 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:05,350 stage sometimes well let's go back to 674 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,570 the Steven Greer example like you know 675 00:30:14,850 --> 00:30:09,760 layers ago with the project disclosure 676 00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:14,860 and you had a good deal of really what I 677 00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:18,040 would consider to be qualified witnesses 678 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:22,780 people who had an extreme amount of they 679 00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,630 were in had a very high integrity mixed 680 00:30:30,780 --> 00:30:28,240 in with people who had none at all and 681 00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:30,790 then at the top you have an individual 682 00:30:36,540 --> 00:30:33,190 who's kind of running the whole show 683 00:30:38,910 --> 00:30:36,550 yeah where you have this this guy he's 684 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:38,920 bringing in what I would consider to be 685 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:42,010 very highly qualified people I mean 686 00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:44,170 there's a mixture it's it's a mixed bag 687 00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:46,870 and I watched all of the videos the 688 00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:49,180 project disclosure years ago when it 689 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:51,640 when it first came out what bothered me 690 00:30:57,210 --> 00:30:54,910 is that then then he turns around and he 691 00:31:00,390 --> 00:30:57,220 goes and it goes off the deep end with 692 00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:00,400 his C SETI project where he's charging 693 00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,830 people two thousand twenty five hundred 694 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:04,720 dollars or something like that to come 695 00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:09,250 out and watch him vector in UFOs to some 696 00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:11,470 site and in some kind of a camp meeting 697 00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:13,750 kind of thing and and that was just I 698 00:31:20,940 --> 00:31:18,070 have to wonder why what what's going on 699 00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:20,950 here when people do that and they bring 700 00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:23,470 in is this something to try to discredit 701 00:31:27,389 --> 00:31:25,420 them I mean I'm not gonna get into a 702 00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:27,399 conspiracy theory but 703 00:31:34,049 --> 00:31:29,950 it almost sounds like it I think I think 704 00:31:35,789 --> 00:31:34,059 ufology is again culturally as a massive 705 00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:35,799 conglomerate of people who sort of 706 00:31:39,479 --> 00:31:38,200 coexist as a community and you know the 707 00:31:43,499 --> 00:31:39,489 hundreds of thousands of them whatever 708 00:31:46,369 --> 00:31:43,509 however many there are ufology is very 709 00:31:49,979 --> 00:31:46,379 much filled with people who have a 710 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:49,989 pre-established mistrust or distrust 711 00:31:56,489 --> 00:31:53,289 rather of science itself as a endeavour 712 00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:56,499 right you know you follow gee when you 713 00:31:59,310 --> 00:31:57,759 look at the community is filled with 714 00:32:01,589 --> 00:31:59,320 people who believe in Flat Earth they 715 00:32:05,070 --> 00:32:01,599 believe in Hollow Earth they believe 716 00:32:07,379 --> 00:32:05,080 that reptilians live on the moon you 717 00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:07,389 know there's a very much sort of an anti 718 00:32:10,889 --> 00:32:09,190 science they you know there's a 719 00:32:14,489 --> 00:32:10,899 significant amount of anti-vaccination 720 00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:14,499 people you know there's I think distrust 721 00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:17,919 of science within ufology because it's 722 00:32:22,469 --> 00:32:20,799 just it lends itself well to that 723 00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:22,479 ufology is a very very 724 00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,039 anti-establishment type of subculture so 725 00:32:31,999 --> 00:32:29,679 by nature you're gonna have groups of 726 00:32:36,629 --> 00:32:32,009 people who distrust the establishment 727 00:32:37,950 --> 00:32:36,639 and if MUFON is playing a scientific 728 00:32:41,639 --> 00:32:37,960 game at least they used to they used to 729 00:32:43,619 --> 00:32:41,649 play a scientific game I can see how the 730 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:43,629 UFO community as it's evolving is 731 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:45,609 starting to move away from that right 732 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:47,289 and moving towards a more mystical 733 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:49,330 approach the stuff that Corey Goode 734 00:32:55,979 --> 00:32:51,849 David Wilcock Steven Greer all sort of 735 00:33:00,359 --> 00:32:55,989 pitch a more a more religious aspect of 736 00:33:02,639 --> 00:33:00,369 of ufology know exactly less about doing 737 00:33:05,489 --> 00:33:02,649 proper research filling in sighting 738 00:33:08,609 --> 00:33:05,499 reports comparing that data doing proper 739 00:33:09,719 --> 00:33:08,619 data analysis do we have to worry about 740 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:09,729 that 741 00:33:16,739 --> 00:33:13,289 rather they would say we can worry about 742 00:33:18,889 --> 00:33:16,749 meditating and and like you say 743 00:33:21,899 --> 00:33:18,899 lecturing you a vector in UFOs and 744 00:33:23,339 --> 00:33:21,909 talking to our space brothers and anyone 745 00:33:25,769 --> 00:33:23,349 who disagrees with us right and 746 00:33:28,019 --> 00:33:25,779 ultimately because it's it's a religion 747 00:33:29,729 --> 00:33:28,029 anyone who disagrees with us is the 748 00:33:32,369 --> 00:33:29,739 enemy right anyone who disagrees with us 749 00:33:35,849 --> 00:33:32,379 as part of the Cabal or as part of the 750 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:35,859 intelligence establishment or is I count 751 00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:37,450 with the newest one is has been 752 00:33:42,090 --> 00:33:39,940 infiltrated by the CIA or or whatever 753 00:33:44,909 --> 00:33:42,100 brothers there's the shadow government 754 00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,919 there's the you know there are all kinds 755 00:33:48,269 --> 00:33:46,480 of names for it you know when you're 756 00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:48,279 talking about reptilians you get goes 757 00:33:53,249 --> 00:33:50,860 back to David Icke you with this six 758 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:53,259 hour lectures goes through some pretty 759 00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:55,570 interesting material and then he just 760 00:33:59,249 --> 00:33:58,450 goes off the deep end you want to hear 761 00:34:01,320 --> 00:33:59,259 me 762 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:01,330 you probably heard enough of him but 763 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:04,210 it's it's interesting when they put 764 00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:08,530 forth these thesis and I have no doubt 765 00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:10,919 that there's probably a group of people 766 00:34:17,129 --> 00:34:14,950 you know they have a good amount of 767 00:34:20,059 --> 00:34:17,139 control over the resources of the planet 768 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:20,069 and they're represent a small population 769 00:34:27,139 --> 00:34:22,810 but I don't necessarily think that that 770 00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:27,149 mean that that in itself means that 771 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:30,639 there's hidden information that we just 772 00:34:35,579 --> 00:34:32,770 don't that they're keeping from us or 773 00:34:38,099 --> 00:34:35,589 that there's some kind of global agenda 774 00:34:40,169 --> 00:34:38,109 and I think that that's that's probably 775 00:34:41,730 --> 00:34:40,179 you know again what you're talking about 776 00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:41,740 when you talk about in USA the 777 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:43,720 democratization of information go is 778 00:34:48,809 --> 00:34:47,169 kind of a double-edged sword it I don't 779 00:34:51,139 --> 00:34:48,819 know if you mentioned this but it was 780 00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:51,149 something that I kind of read when I 781 00:34:56,909 --> 00:34:53,950 kind of got out of it it was that is 782 00:34:59,579 --> 00:34:56,919 that you you end up with this with this 783 00:35:03,870 --> 00:34:59,589 kind of a chaotic community of people 784 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:03,880 who are anti-establishment but at the 785 00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:08,010 same time they have this kind of 786 00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:14,040 decentralized system of evaluating cases 787 00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:17,140 information and and I think that that's 788 00:35:23,819 --> 00:35:20,020 the problem is is that you don't have 789 00:35:28,109 --> 00:35:23,829 the hierarchical you don't have that 790 00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:28,119 that that hierarchical framework that 791 00:35:33,329 --> 00:35:30,790 news would see in a capitalistic system 792 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:33,339 no I mean ufology is total anarchy man 793 00:35:39,809 --> 00:35:35,890 like it's generally Pleet anarchy yeah 794 00:35:41,849 --> 00:35:39,819 there's there is no ivory tower there's 795 00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:41,859 there's there is no hierarchal system no 796 00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:44,800 one's the Pope you just have these 797 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:48,160 different people groups sort of vying 798 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:52,050 for as much of the pie as they can and 799 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:54,010 and you know what 800 00:35:58,890 --> 00:35:56,490 Beauty about ufology the beauty of this 801 00:36:00,780 --> 00:35:58,900 democracy I system the beauty of the 802 00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:00,790 anarchy of ufology is that no one really 803 00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:02,920 holds on to the pie for too long you 804 00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:06,430 know at the end of the day it doesn't 805 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:10,000 take long it'll be a few years but in a 806 00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:12,250 few years no one will 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00:41:03,980 book.com hi this is James Fox from 916 00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:06,349 chasing UFOs you're listening to the 917 00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:07,220 pair cat 918 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:10,160 the gold standard of paranormal radio 919 00:41:17,410 --> 00:41:13,089 [Music] 920 00:41:19,299 --> 00:41:17,420 okay MJ Jean and Michael are here oh by 921 00:41:22,329 --> 00:41:19,309 the way I just want to mention that we 922 00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:22,339 got a email from our old friend Tim 923 00:41:27,099 --> 00:41:23,510 Beckley the other day 924 00:41:30,220 --> 00:41:27,109 rats Tiger was one of the first guests 925 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:30,230 on the power cast though these many 926 00:41:39,940 --> 00:41:37,450 years ago okay in 2006 he's in a hospice 927 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:39,950 and I'm very you know very sad to hear 928 00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:43,130 that so what happened what's going on 929 00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:44,990 with him I didn't know about that I 930 00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:47,960 heard the news the other day that's 931 00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:51,680 really sad this this is heavy losing a 932 00:41:56,109 --> 00:41:53,390 good one it wasn't a good one 933 00:42:00,160 --> 00:41:56,119 Brad Steiger you know has been told for 934 00:42:04,269 --> 00:42:00,170 the last few years and as I said he was 935 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:04,279 the first of two guests on the power 936 00:42:10,299 --> 00:42:07,609 cast on February 28th 2006 the other 937 00:42:10,990 --> 00:42:10,309 guest was James Mosley there was no 938 00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:11,000 longer with us 939 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:13,670 now Brad had the distinction of helping 940 00:42:18,609 --> 00:42:16,730 us name this show the power cast we were 941 00:42:21,309 --> 00:42:18,619 going to call it power cast world and 942 00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:21,319 Brad said why not just call it the power 943 00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:24,470 cast and brother Brad when he says 944 00:42:31,569 --> 00:42:28,400 something we listen to him so we stand 945 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:31,579 the best wishes over to Sherry Steiger 946 00:42:35,279 --> 00:42:34,490 and maybe a miracle will happen you 947 00:42:37,539 --> 00:42:35,289 never know 948 00:42:39,579 --> 00:42:37,549 Brad is pretty prolific right he wrote 949 00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,589 something like a hundred and twenty or 950 00:42:44,019 --> 00:42:40,880 hundred 50 bucks or something didn't he 951 00:42:46,509 --> 00:42:44,029 like he's quite established like he from 952 00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:46,519 what I understand I think was 160 953 00:42:50,799 --> 00:42:48,529 something that is a serious amount of 954 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:50,809 books I only met him a few times over 955 00:42:56,650 --> 00:42:53,210 the years I met him he was living in 956 00:43:00,910 --> 00:42:56,660 Scottsdale Arizona at one time and I met 957 00:43:04,690 --> 00:43:00,920 him at a UFO convention that brother Tim 958 00:43:06,910 --> 00:43:04,700 Beckley was sponsoring this goes back to 959 00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:06,920 what I guess the 99 960 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:09,270 and that's an interesting question we 961 00:43:15,370 --> 00:43:10,770 can talk about service sometimes in 962 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:15,380 which is the next generation of 963 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:21,450 paranormal researchers yeah I think you 964 00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:23,730 know obviously it's gonna happen I mean 965 00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:25,950 you know the old guard will eventually 966 00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:29,880 disappear and sort of the new guard will 967 00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:32,280 replace it I have no idea what that will 968 00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:33,500 look like 969 00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:36,350 whether MUFON is still in the picture 970 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:39,960 like whether MUFON will be in that new 971 00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:45,210 world I don't know I sort of hope it is 972 00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:49,220 I hope MUFON can somehow save itself 973 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:51,510 pull itself out of the fire that it's 974 00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:55,170 currently in well I think that I think 975 00:43:59,840 --> 00:43:56,940 that a lot of the people that are 976 00:44:02,780 --> 00:43:59,850 involved in this subject either they've 977 00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:02,790 had a direct experience later in their 978 00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:07,380 life or they've they met somebody who 979 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:09,830 had an experience and they want to 980 00:44:15,260 --> 00:44:12,210 research it and figure out what they're 981 00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:15,270 what what's going on and then you have 982 00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:17,369 the people there are people who just 983 00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,910 simply read a book about it at an early 984 00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:23,520 age and I I think that you're gonna get 985 00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:26,609 you're gonna get the same kind of the 986 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:28,619 only difference of course is that with 987 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:31,050 the cases that people focus on right now 988 00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:35,010 they're going to change we we have a lot 989 00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:38,310 of cases that have happened that people 990 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:41,190 still talk about the one in Chicago the 991 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:44,730 one in O'Hare we have the one in 992 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:49,290 Stephenville and there are probably 993 00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,410 people who maybe are not serious about 994 00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:54,720 it right now but they're mulling it all 995 00:44:59,570 --> 00:44:57,660 over in their minds and you never know 996 00:45:03,440 --> 00:44:59,580 what what's gonna happen I mean they I 997 00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,450 think that for in my case I have I got 998 00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:06,000 into this I was interested in this field 999 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:08,310 because a friend of mine had a very very 1000 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:11,850 powerful experience and while I didn't 1001 00:45:16,820 --> 00:45:14,730 ever didn't really believe in it because 1002 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:16,830 it was secondhand I was like I don't 1003 00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:19,570 know what I didn't see what you saw 1004 00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:22,900 but there's something to the the amount 1005 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:29,260 of I mean just that what's the word how 1006 00:45:33,870 --> 00:45:31,090 much he believed in what he was saying I 1007 00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:33,880 mean you could just hear that the 1008 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:36,520 conviction in his voice when he would 1009 00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:39,730 talk about these experiences so I I 1010 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:41,470 think that there's going to be more 1011 00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:43,290 people involved in this just by default 1012 00:45:48,810 --> 00:45:45,670 because we're dealing with a human 1013 00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:48,820 condition that is that it that continues 1014 00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:52,150 even though yeah I agree with you I 1015 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:53,680 think I think we're gonna see an 1016 00:45:58,500 --> 00:45:56,290 increase in people who are interests in 1017 00:46:02,730 --> 00:45:58,510 the subject matter I think you're also 1018 00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:02,740 gonna see as a new group comes in I 1019 00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:03,670 think you're also gonna see the 1020 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:06,700 phenomenon itself change I think the 1021 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:10,210 phenomenon will adapt to the new people 1022 00:46:15,330 --> 00:46:13,330 who sort of make up the group that is 1023 00:46:17,810 --> 00:46:15,340 sort of tasked with investigating the 1024 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:17,820 phenomenon or or trying to understand it 1025 00:46:22,050 --> 00:46:20,770 so I'm not saying that suddenly you know 1026 00:46:23,850 --> 00:46:22,060 it's gonna be some dramatic change but 1027 00:46:26,130 --> 00:46:23,860 over time you'll definitely I think will 1028 00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:26,140 notice that the nature of the phenomenon 1029 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:27,520 will will become something different 1030 00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:28,810 especially as technology develops 1031 00:46:34,380 --> 00:46:33,070 especially as you know you're now the 1032 00:46:38,220 --> 00:46:34,390 phenomenon is now dealing with young 1033 00:46:40,020 --> 00:46:38,230 people who have devices on them 24/7 and 1034 00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:40,030 you know are typically connect to the 1035 00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,190 internet you know at any given moment 1036 00:46:47,940 --> 00:46:45,040 and just the way it's all gonna play out 1037 00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:47,950 is is you know the 1950s the 1960s 70s 1038 00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:49,390 and 80s you know those days were long 1039 00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:51,910 gone and the technology of those days is 1040 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:55,150 long gone we're now dealing with young 1041 00:47:01,620 --> 00:46:57,130 people who are born with an iPhone in 1042 00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:01,630 their hands and Wi-Fi so I think you're 1043 00:47:08,310 --> 00:47:04,420 gonna see a total shift in in how the 1044 00:47:11,010 --> 00:47:08,320 UFO phenomena occurs as well so I agree 1045 00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:11,020 with you on sort of both counts come on 1046 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:13,720 I had a question that I wanted to ask it 1047 00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:16,330 really relates to your essay I'm not 1048 00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:19,680 gonna quote directly but you had this 1049 00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:23,020 kind of starting out with the notion of 1050 00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:27,820 true reality being inaccessible because 1051 00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:31,900 it's there's because we create we 1052 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:33,240 construct 1053 00:47:37,940 --> 00:47:35,130 with the system our own objective 1054 00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:37,950 reality is well our own subjective 1055 00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:40,980 reality puts us out of reach of the 1056 00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:44,640 objective reality and I'm wondering if 1057 00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:49,110 that's hyperbole because I read this and 1058 00:47:55,340 --> 00:47:52,740 I thought it made me go back to some of 1059 00:47:58,220 --> 00:47:55,350 the philosophers particularly Hegel and 1060 00:48:01,010 --> 00:47:58,230 I'm not going to get into it but we're 1061 00:48:03,830 --> 00:48:01,020 we're part of the universe that we kind 1062 00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:03,840 of come out of the universe in the same 1063 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:05,910 way an apple grows from a tree that's an 1064 00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:09,450 Alan Watts quote by the way and I just 1065 00:48:14,540 --> 00:48:11,670 wonder how much of that is really true I 1066 00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:14,550 know that we have a we have a connection 1067 00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:16,830 to reality 1068 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:20,070 but because we are a part of it but is 1069 00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:22,530 it is is objective reality really 1070 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:27,119 forever out of reach well yeah we can 1071 00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:28,770 okay we can go ahead a lot of rabbit 1072 00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:30,990 holes here man oh I know I know I'm 1073 00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:33,240 sorry I the reason why I brought this up 1074 00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:35,369 because it was kind of at the forefront 1075 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:39,300 of your paper your essay and it's it 1076 00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:42,810 kind of set the tone of your thesis and 1077 00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:44,790 that's why I'm addressing it I know it's 1078 00:48:49,310 --> 00:48:47,460 a lot for our listeners a lot of people 1079 00:48:51,770 --> 00:48:49,320 when they write something they put down 1080 00:48:54,859 --> 00:48:51,780 an epistemology and a philosophy or 1081 00:48:57,290 --> 00:48:54,869 metaphysical foundation and I like to go 1082 00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,300 to the root and that's why I'm asking 1083 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:00,240 the question so I'll begin I think maybe 1084 00:49:06,380 --> 00:49:02,490 in the sort of most simplest way and I 1085 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:06,390 would say that you and I as we're 1086 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:08,130 speaking right now we are sort of 1087 00:49:13,460 --> 00:49:10,530 generating our own interpretation of 1088 00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:13,470 reality simply by us using language 1089 00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:16,800 alone language itself is not objective 1090 00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,540 right so if you and I think in language 1091 00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,000 which we typically do and we communicate 1092 00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:26,880 in language we are we are accessing 1093 00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:30,030 reality in a totally subjective way or 1094 00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:36,510 at least subjective yeah a subjective 1095 00:49:40,220 --> 00:49:38,070 way that sort of we can both understand 1096 00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,230 each other ultimately but but our 1097 00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:42,960 language does not necessarily equal an 1098 00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:46,980 objective reality so when we talk about 1099 00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:49,260 you know UFOs or we talk about coffee 1100 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:53,880 cups or laptops we are forming those 1101 00:50:01,790 --> 00:49:57,210 concepts out of language language is 1102 00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:01,800 sort of the prime mover of our 1103 00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,040 subjective reality and I mean subjective 1104 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:08,160 reality here so we can argue that there 1105 00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:10,410 is if there is an objective reality we 1106 00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:11,880 can argue that there is potentially some 1107 00:50:18,980 --> 00:50:15,990 large you know primary mover like a God 1108 00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,990 or something but subjectively we are 1109 00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:21,359 sort of creating our own realities by 1110 00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:23,550 communicating about it but what about 1111 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:24,960 that what about the idea of 1112 00:50:30,620 --> 00:50:28,170 communication let's say let's look at 1113 00:50:34,820 --> 00:50:30,630 something that's more prosaic like the 1114 00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:34,830 communication of that happens with the 1115 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:38,460 DNA molecule and an RNA division and 1116 00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,410 there's something that there's this 1117 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:43,200 little thing that that goes along and 1118 00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,210 reads the the information and then 1119 00:50:50,170 --> 00:50:47,520 translates it into proteins 1120 00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:50,180 I mean in other words communication 1121 00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:53,520 divorced from communication and 1122 00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:56,310 objective reality when you think about a 1123 00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:58,440 language and I agree with you on the 1124 00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:00,180 idea that there is a subjective 1125 00:51:05,780 --> 00:51:02,910 component to language but there's also a 1126 00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:05,790 shared reality between the people who 1127 00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:07,950 use that language just like there's a 1128 00:51:13,099 --> 00:51:10,980 shared reality between computer systems 1129 00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:13,109 that all speak the same language through 1130 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:14,820 a certain layer and they can actually 1131 00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,090 communicate and real-world events occur 1132 00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:20,640 because of that communication and that's 1133 00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:23,220 the part that I kind of get a little bit 1134 00:51:39,570 --> 00:51:27,000 I mean I my problem is that I'm a monist 1135 00:51:47,310 --> 00:51:43,480 thank you for listening to GCN 1136 00:51:49,780 --> 00:51:47,320 be sure to visit GCN live.com today 1137 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:49,790 attack of the 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which was another lie 1179 00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:42,510 just pull up in people's eyes pre-order 1180 00:53:51,050 --> 00:53:44,750 now and killing Uncle Sam book.com 1181 00:53:51,060 --> 00:53:55,260 [Applause] 1182 00:54:02,500 --> 00:53:58,690 welcome back to to the para cast the 1183 00:54:11,650 --> 00:54:02,510 gold standard of paranormal radio and 1184 00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:11,660 now here's Jane Steinberg let me tell 1185 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:13,280 you something here last week if you 1186 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:17,650 heard Nick Redfern and his power cast 1187 00:54:24,910 --> 00:54:21,530 Stingers went on forever and I'm told 1188 00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,920 that is only a small example other 1189 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:26,720 things he does sometimes when he's in 1190 00:54:29,789 --> 00:54:28,970 the right mood as Greg Bishop was 1191 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:29,799 telling us 1192 00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:34,730 MJ benaiah you're in the para casts 1193 00:54:39,609 --> 00:54:36,950 they're trying to do it together they 1194 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:39,619 want to start a duo and staff Peter and 1195 00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,170 Gordon it's gonna be MJ and Michael 1196 00:54:46,809 --> 00:54:44,480 we're Michael MJ depending on who gets 1197 00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:46,819 top billing well one of them has to take 1198 00:54:51,579 --> 00:54:49,609 a note and sing that note and then I'll 1199 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:51,589 sing a note that's like a third or a 1200 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:53,170 fifth above it or something like that 1201 00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,010 how am I gonna do a couple of things 1202 00:55:01,240 --> 00:54:58,640 that were seeing on your blog MJ we can 1203 00:55:03,940 --> 00:55:01,250 go back to your entry for reframing the 1204 00:55:06,250 --> 00:55:03,950 debate you have an article there about 1205 00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:06,260 the flatwoods monster now I haven't 1206 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:07,520 heard much about the flatwoods monster 1207 00:55:15,220 --> 00:55:12,170 in many many years yeah what makes it 1208 00:55:17,799 --> 00:55:15,230 interesting to you yes the flat was 1209 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:17,809 monsters actually it's a review of Seth 1210 00:55:23,769 --> 00:55:22,010 Breedlove's documentary so I got to see 1211 00:55:26,859 --> 00:55:23,779 it sort of before it came out and then I 1212 00:55:28,990 --> 00:55:26,869 got the chance to review it I find the 1213 00:55:30,029 --> 00:55:29,000 flatwoods monster case and I fly it and 1214 00:55:31,319 --> 00:55:30,039 I find generally actually all of 1215 00:55:32,890 --> 00:55:31,329 Breedlove's 1216 00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:32,900 documentaries interesting because they 1217 00:55:37,150 --> 00:55:34,609 all kind of focus on a specific sort of 1218 00:55:39,789 --> 00:55:37,160 monster story I think I find monsters 1219 00:55:43,569 --> 00:55:39,799 themselves interesting as a concept and 1220 00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:43,579 and and flatwoods very weird one and 1221 00:55:48,339 --> 00:55:46,430 it's weird because it's still absurd you 1222 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:48,349 have you know these kids and their 1223 00:55:52,510 --> 00:55:50,450 mother and sort of a friend I suppose 1224 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:52,520 who who's kind of run out of the woods 1225 00:55:58,329 --> 00:55:55,490 and they bump into this good Lord they 1226 00:56:00,039 --> 00:55:58,339 bump into this sort of thing that sort 1227 00:56:02,859 --> 00:56:00,049 of floats above the ground it looks like 1228 00:56:04,359 --> 00:56:02,869 a sort of a missile hover like you know 1229 00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,369 vertical missile hovering and it has 1230 00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:06,319 these large red eyes and it has these 1231 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:07,260 sort of 1232 00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:10,290 gangly arms with claws and then this 1233 00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:13,260 sort of curious very like nineteen sort 1234 00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:17,160 of 5060 stylized kind of teardrop I'm 1235 00:56:20,570 --> 00:56:19,260 not sure if you'd call it like a like 1236 00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:20,580 you know like oh my god it reminds me 1237 00:56:24,620 --> 00:56:22,140 almost like a vampire cape you know like 1238 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:24,630 a Bela Lugosi sort of high neckline 1239 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:26,370 vampire kid that kind of goes above its 1240 00:56:30,020 --> 00:56:27,930 head and it's bright and shining and 1241 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:30,030 they have this experience with this this 1242 00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:32,850 thing whatever it is and it seems so 1243 00:56:37,820 --> 00:56:34,740 strange because there's not much else in 1244 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:37,830 the youthful logical sort of literature 1245 00:56:41,590 --> 00:56:40,170 narrative that resembles this when you 1246 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:41,600 see a picture of the flatwoods monster 1247 00:56:45,350 --> 00:56:43,650 you know you sort of know okay that's 1248 00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:45,360 the flatwoods monster and I've never 1249 00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:47,910 really seen it before or after anywhere 1250 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:49,500 else it's kind of this one-off moment 1251 00:56:54,980 --> 00:56:52,290 almost now just wait out here this is 1252 00:56:58,910 --> 00:56:54,990 not the ghost of Bela Lugosi he did not 1253 00:57:03,830 --> 00:56:58,920 die until 1956 four years later there 1254 00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:03,840 you go yes right but I think the 1255 00:57:08,660 --> 00:57:06,960 flatwoods monster brings to light sort 1256 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:08,670 of an idea about monsters themselves in 1257 00:57:12,380 --> 00:57:11,370 general and and and this maybe touches 1258 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:12,390 all we were talking about previously 1259 00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:14,250 about things that are sort of objective 1260 00:57:19,820 --> 00:57:17,430 and subjective in reality you know can 1261 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:19,830 monsters be both can a monster be 1262 00:57:23,810 --> 00:57:21,690 something that's very real as real as 1263 00:57:26,570 --> 00:57:23,820 your coffee cup but also something that 1264 00:57:29,330 --> 00:57:26,580 comes from your imagination and I think 1265 00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,340 Breedlove's film sort of asks this 1266 00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:31,920 question in a roundabout way and that's 1267 00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:33,720 why I find it interesting because we 1268 00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:34,910 never really see the flatwoods monster 1269 00:57:40,340 --> 00:57:37,880 ever again at least not anywhere else 1270 00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,350 apart for maybe flatwoods and no one's 1271 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:42,480 really bumped into it unlike you know 1272 00:57:45,860 --> 00:57:44,250 other monsters or other things within 1273 00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:45,870 ufology you know everyone sees greys for 1274 00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,400 example and we have sort of this 1275 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:49,920 reiteration of Gray's throughout the you 1276 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:51,690 falah jicka narrative or or you know 1277 00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:53,970 other types of aliens but this weird 1278 00:57:58,880 --> 00:57:55,740 flatwoods monsters kind of stands out as 1279 00:58:00,800 --> 00:57:58,890 this curious why not that's why I find 1280 00:58:02,210 --> 00:58:00,810 it sort of interesting but the broader 1281 00:58:04,580 --> 00:58:02,220 question is is can something be both 1282 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:04,590 objective and subjective simultaneously 1283 00:58:09,590 --> 00:58:07,170 can something exist in reality like your 1284 00:58:12,260 --> 00:58:09,600 coffee cup but also be sort of part of 1285 00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,270 the imagination and that's the question 1286 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:14,400 that sort of I think the film asks in an 1287 00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:16,170 interesting way well you know when I 1288 00:58:20,180 --> 00:58:18,780 hear the word monster monstrosity I 1289 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:20,190 think of something he 1290 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:23,970 huge overwhelming but when you look at 1291 00:58:31,370 --> 00:58:28,650 the dia Tamala G of the word it's more 1292 00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:31,380 related to a divine to the notion of a 1293 00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,940 divine omen a portent a sign an abnormal 1294 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:37,680 shape I know it's interesting an 1295 00:58:43,609 --> 00:58:41,250 abnormal shape a repulsive character 1296 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:43,619 something that is I don't know if you've 1297 00:58:49,490 --> 00:58:46,290 ever dealt with this concept when you 1298 00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,500 want did you ever watch there was a 1299 00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:52,079 movie that came out a few years back it 1300 00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:54,839 was Bell wolf I think it was that that's 1301 00:58:58,460 --> 00:58:56,700 I've never saw this story I've never 1302 00:59:00,980 --> 00:58:58,470 seen it like I never seen the film well 1303 00:59:02,990 --> 00:59:00,990 the film was one of the experiments they 1304 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:03,000 did with well they tried to make 1305 00:59:09,290 --> 00:59:05,250 something as lifelike as they could 1306 00:59:12,460 --> 00:59:09,300 using just CGI and it was yeah and there 1307 00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:12,470 was a problem with this kind of it was 1308 00:59:19,940 --> 00:59:17,040 uncanny effect it was repulsive because 1309 00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:19,950 it was something that was close enough 1310 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:23,369 to reality but not exactly hitting on 1311 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:26,970 all of the and so I think the idea is 1312 00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,250 that when you look at the the word 1313 00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:31,680 monster which is that you know the 1314 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:34,319 definition and you know the 14th century 1315 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:39,050 was a malformed human or animal or human 1316 00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:41,250 somebody who's afflicted with a birth 1317 00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:43,920 defect and that's something that I think 1318 00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:49,440 is probably hits deeply into our into 1319 00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,020 our reptilian brain is that when we see 1320 01:00:01,160 --> 00:59:55,200 something that's that's almost real but 1321 01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:01,170 not quite that becomes a monster and it 1322 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:03,569 also comes from a root means to warn 1323 01:00:11,059 --> 01:00:06,810 horn them away and this is a repulsive 1324 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:11,069 object awful abomination these are all 1325 01:00:16,609 --> 01:00:13,890 synonyms but it's just a really 1326 01:00:18,290 --> 01:00:16,619 interesting etymology that but when I 1327 01:00:19,609 --> 01:00:18,300 think of the word monster I think of 1328 01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:19,619 something huge 1329 01:00:26,030 --> 01:00:23,910 you know gigantic like a turducken yeah 1330 01:00:28,190 --> 01:00:26,040 I mean like you'd like take every take 1331 01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:28,200 every creature in the in the world and 1332 01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:30,900 combine it into this big massive ball of 1333 01:00:35,130 --> 01:00:32,110 just 1334 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:35,140 this monster monstrous see look I can't 1335 01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:38,370 even have to use the word this monstrous 1336 01:00:44,550 --> 01:00:40,960 turducken of every single thing that 1337 01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,560 exists and we have the the beginnings of 1338 01:00:50,970 --> 01:00:47,200 a real nightmare one that you wake up 1339 01:00:53,130 --> 01:00:50,980 from with in a cold sweat mmm I've never 1340 01:00:55,470 --> 01:00:53,140 been afraid of a turducken before well 1341 01:00:58,050 --> 01:00:55,480 I'm not either but I use that term when 1342 01:01:00,090 --> 01:00:58,060 I mean when I really mean is combining a 1343 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:00,100 whole bunch of things together like it's 1344 01:01:07,410 --> 01:01:03,490 in like a centaur or Griffin but then 1345 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:07,420 but then you have like in dream imagery 1346 01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:09,850 and particularly in the nightmares that 1347 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:11,170 I had and this is the subject for 1348 01:01:17,610 --> 01:01:14,850 another show gene I I always dreamt of 1349 01:01:19,620 --> 01:01:17,620 basically if you took all of Noah's Ark 1350 01:01:22,980 --> 01:01:19,630 what really would have been on Noah's 1351 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:22,990 Ark if there was such a thing and you 1352 01:01:27,690 --> 01:01:25,450 put it in a big ball and you threw it at 1353 01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:27,700 me that was the most terrifying thing 1354 01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:30,190 I've ever seen it's it's it so that's 1355 01:01:35,730 --> 01:01:32,230 what I think of when I when I think of 1356 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:35,740 monstrosity is just a combine a ssin of 1357 01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,170 things you see this an alien you know 1358 01:01:43,170 --> 01:01:40,720 when where this creature pushes itself 1359 01:01:45,810 --> 01:01:43,180 out of the stomach of a human being or 1360 01:01:47,730 --> 01:01:45,820 you see this this thing that is 1361 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:47,740 basically absorbed a bunch of human 1362 01:01:51,540 --> 01:01:49,930 beings and all of their faces are 1363 01:01:53,370 --> 01:01:51,550 sticking out I mean that's what I think 1364 01:01:54,270 --> 01:01:53,380 of when I think of monstrosity or a 1365 01:01:57,660 --> 01:01:54,280 monster 1366 01:01:59,610 --> 01:01:57,670 is that it is it's it's sort of this 1367 01:02:01,890 --> 01:01:59,620 thing that crosses boundaries right 1368 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:01,900 which is where I think the film and 1369 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:03,970 we're sort of my article or I guess my 1370 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:06,370 review of it or tries to go you have 1371 01:02:10,590 --> 01:02:08,410 this thing which which sort of exists in 1372 01:02:12,750 --> 01:02:10,600 in multiple realms right like you say 1373 01:02:14,430 --> 01:02:12,760 it's a combination and I think when we 1374 01:02:16,590 --> 01:02:14,440 talk about monsters and and you know 1375 01:02:18,210 --> 01:02:16,600 humans have been talking about and 1376 01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:18,220 potentially seeing monsters you know 1377 01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:20,830 since time immemorial you have to then 1378 01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:24,400 have something that is both real real 1379 01:02:30,060 --> 01:02:27,370 enough anyway that it it's discussed and 1380 01:02:32,460 --> 01:02:30,070 talked about around campfires and over 1381 01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,470 meals and and that you warned your 1382 01:02:36,210 --> 01:02:34,480 children not to go too far in the woods 1383 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:36,220 because you know something very real can 1384 01:02:40,650 --> 01:02:39,250 happen to them but also you know they're 1385 01:02:43,950 --> 01:02:40,660 also sort of this this curious 1386 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:43,960 subjective collection of ideas that that 1387 01:02:48,090 --> 01:02:46,090 usually are culturally based 1388 01:02:50,070 --> 01:02:48,100 again form from from a certain language 1389 01:02:52,350 --> 01:02:50,080 or a cultural background that you know 1390 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:52,360 what are the the anxieties and fears of 1391 01:02:57,210 --> 01:02:54,250 that culture and and how can we 1392 01:02:59,130 --> 01:02:57,220 collaborate them into something that is 1393 01:03:02,430 --> 01:02:59,140 real or something that roams the woods 1394 01:03:03,020 --> 01:03:02,440 at night and and and like you say write 1395 01:03:06,110 --> 01:03:03,030 it 1396 01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:06,120 monsters are this collection of ideas 1397 01:03:12,060 --> 01:03:09,940 both may be real and imagined and and 1398 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:12,070 the flatwoods monster is this great 1399 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:15,250 example it's sort of 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forget to visit our famous para 1511 01:08:09,739 --> 01:08:07,029 cast community forums at forum dot the 1512 01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:09,749 para cast com 1513 01:08:14,489 --> 01:08:12,160 why are we talking about carts I don't 1514 01:08:16,919 --> 01:08:14,499 know I don't know let's continue our 1515 01:08:21,209 --> 01:08:16,929 discussion the flatwoods monster is this 1516 01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:21,219 mix of Technology from a Cold War sort 1517 01:08:27,809 --> 01:08:24,369 of fearing public and a biological being 1518 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:27,819 it's the sort of machine animal machine 1519 01:08:31,559 --> 01:08:29,650 creature as sort of the way it was 1520 01:08:34,620 --> 01:08:31,569 described by the initial witnesses so 1521 01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:34,630 again is this blending of of reality and 1522 01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:37,330 objectivity and subjectivity which is 1523 01:08:42,169 --> 01:08:39,489 why I find it interesting this was kind 1524 01:08:46,050 --> 01:08:42,179 of a singular episode we've had monsters 1525 01:08:48,959 --> 01:08:46,060 but were there any monsters of record 1526 01:08:51,209 --> 01:08:48,969 that resembled the so called flatwoods 1527 01:08:53,099 --> 01:08:51,219 monster and that's sort of what the film 1528 01:08:55,140 --> 01:08:53,109 presents a little bit like the town of 1529 01:08:56,999 --> 01:08:55,150 flatwoods had apparently I think it had 1530 01:09:00,510 --> 01:08:57,009 only you know half a dozen or so 1531 01:09:02,879 --> 01:09:00,520 sightings of this thing all around sort 1532 01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:02,889 of a quite a close period of time there 1533 01:09:07,140 --> 01:09:05,170 were dozens of other sightings of other 1534 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:07,150 monsters and flatwoods people were 1535 01:09:11,070 --> 01:09:08,770 seeing sort of bigfoot-like creatures 1536 01:09:12,990 --> 01:09:11,080 people were seeing some strange large 1537 01:09:15,329 --> 01:09:13,000 dogs roaming around people were seeing 1538 01:09:17,879 --> 01:09:15,339 UFOs people were seeing sort of aliens 1539 01:09:19,589 --> 01:09:17,889 but the specific flatwoods monster sort 1540 01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:19,599 of as described by the initial witnesses 1541 01:09:22,740 --> 01:09:21,489 only showed up a few times within a 1542 01:09:25,919 --> 01:09:22,750 short period of time and then sort of 1543 01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:25,929 vanished from I guess the lore of the 1544 01:09:30,419 --> 01:09:28,150 town people then sort of start telling 1545 01:09:32,579 --> 01:09:30,429 other tales we saw this hairy beast 1546 01:09:33,899 --> 01:09:32,589 running around or whatever when's the 1547 01:09:36,030 --> 01:09:33,909 last time anyone saw flatwoods monster 1548 01:09:37,890 --> 01:09:36,040 running around I I can't really tell you 1549 01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:37,900 but it's so beautiful 1550 01:09:43,620 --> 01:09:40,719 tickets drive that's the thing I mean 1551 01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,630 you see these examples where the where 1552 01:09:48,510 --> 01:09:45,759 people see all different types of 1553 01:09:49,890 --> 01:09:48,520 paranormal phenomenon in one area for 1554 01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:49,900 instance and they don't seem to be 1555 01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:52,630 related and this is by the way what I 1556 01:10:01,320 --> 01:09:57,310 think gene is why people are are tempted 1557 01:10:01,850 --> 01:10:01,330 to try to create a unified for lack of a 1558 01:10:04,820 --> 01:10:01,860 better 1559 01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:04,830 a unified field theory of the paranormal 1560 01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:07,980 or unified that encompasses all and I 1561 01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:10,110 think that's a that's a very bad 1562 01:10:17,629 --> 01:10:13,920 direction to move in because in cases 1563 01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:17,639 where you have people who are in an area 1564 01:10:23,899 --> 01:10:21,570 that's where phenomenon occurs and they 1565 01:10:26,780 --> 01:10:23,909 may be interpreting it in a certain way 1566 01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:26,790 it's not good to just simply say that 1567 01:10:32,959 --> 01:10:29,580 all comes from one simple source and I 1568 01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:32,969 guess in one in one respect it might if 1569 01:10:37,490 --> 01:10:34,800 you think well there's this proximity 1570 01:10:39,550 --> 01:10:37,500 but it bothers me a lot when I hear 1571 01:10:42,140 --> 01:10:39,560 people trying to combine all of the 1572 01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,150 let's say that for instance we are being 1573 01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:44,400 visited by aliens and that's like a very 1574 01:10:50,540 --> 01:10:48,630 small percentage of paranormal you know 1575 01:10:52,129 --> 01:10:50,550 and I hate that term by the way I hate 1576 01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:52,139 the word paranormal because I think 1577 01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,080 everything is normal they treat right I 1578 01:10:59,689 --> 01:10:57,600 mean when you look at this is my point 1579 01:11:01,340 --> 01:10:59,699 of view is that at some point we're 1580 01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,350 gonna have an understanding of something 1581 01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:03,840 we didn't understand that's what science 1582 01:11:08,660 --> 01:11:06,360 hopefully gives us I know that's you 1583 01:11:11,450 --> 01:11:08,670 test something out you learn you go 1584 01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:11,460 through the scientific process you run 1585 01:11:15,109 --> 01:11:12,900 your experiments you test your 1586 01:11:18,530 --> 01:11:15,119 hypothesis you revise your hypothesis 1587 01:11:21,260 --> 01:11:18,540 and all of these things combine to help 1588 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:21,270 us advance our knowledge a little bit by 1589 01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:23,730 a little bit and weed out the things 1590 01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:26,460 that don't make sense but I think that a 1591 01:11:31,580 --> 01:11:28,590 lot of times that in the paranormal 1592 01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,590 field we this is my soapbox gene but we 1593 01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:33,840 try to combine everything and throw 1594 01:11:37,939 --> 01:11:35,489 everything into one bucket and try to 1595 01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:37,949 explain it all from one simplified 1596 01:11:43,580 --> 01:11:40,560 theory in other words the unified field 1597 01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:43,590 theory you opened a thread yeah eric has 1598 01:11:51,020 --> 01:11:47,159 forums about it so explain to MJ what 1599 01:11:52,970 --> 01:11:51,030 this is all about so basically this has 1600 01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:52,980 been a discussion that's kind of evolved 1601 01:11:56,990 --> 01:11:54,780 over the last couple of times that I've 1602 01:11:59,720 --> 01:11:57,000 been on because I get I have a tendency 1603 01:12:01,729 --> 01:11:59,730 to be a broken record and you've got 1604 01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:01,739 what you said you said you said you said 1605 01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:07,110 you said yes that's nice yeah I repeat 1606 01:12:12,290 --> 01:12:09,510 myself I'm gonna be standing for 1607 01:12:14,419 --> 01:12:12,300 yourself retain himself and repeat the 1608 01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:14,429 line from a comedian people who smoke 1609 01:12:18,529 --> 01:12:15,280 too much 1610 01:12:22,290 --> 01:12:18,539 we'd repeat themselves repeat themselves 1611 01:12:25,290 --> 01:12:22,300 repeating here exactly so what I'm 1612 01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:25,300 basically saying is that there's there's 1613 01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:26,800 a lot of people who tried to who try to 1614 01:12:31,410 --> 01:12:29,199 come construct a theory that that 1615 01:12:33,540 --> 01:12:31,420 accounts for all the phenomenon now I 1616 01:12:35,220 --> 01:12:33,550 think that when San Freedman comes out 1617 01:12:36,959 --> 01:12:35,230 and he says and he sounds like a broken 1618 01:12:39,060 --> 01:12:36,969 record and I sound like a broken record 1619 01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:39,070 copying a broken record when I say this 1620 01:12:45,959 --> 01:12:43,420 but he says some UFOs or some 1621 01:12:49,859 --> 01:12:45,969 unidentified flying objects underlying 1622 01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:49,869 some underlying 150 thousand times or 1623 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:51,760 whatever number he chooses to do in this 1624 01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:53,530 lecture because it changes in every 1625 01:12:59,640 --> 01:12:57,780 lecture may be are probably 1626 01:13:02,370 --> 01:12:59,650 extraterrestrials really visiting our 1627 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:02,380 planet not all and then he just goes 1628 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:04,570 into his thesis about why he thinks that 1629 01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:08,170 you know UFOs are eat extraterrestrials 1630 01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:10,110 they come here and blah blah blah 1631 01:13:19,799 --> 01:13:15,730 there's all this Roswell and corona and 1632 01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:19,809 all this stuff that's I think that in a 1633 01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:23,170 way is is kind of expressing what we're 1634 01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:25,409 dealing with is a phenomenon that is 1635 01:13:34,620 --> 01:13:28,960 filtering that gets filtered through our 1636 01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:34,630 own ability to you know our subjective 1637 01:13:38,910 --> 01:13:37,510 experience of reality but doesn't 1638 01:13:41,700 --> 01:13:38,920 necessarily mean that there's something 1639 01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:41,710 out there that might not be objective 1640 01:13:45,569 --> 01:13:44,170 and then and then when you look at some 1641 01:13:50,029 --> 01:13:45,579 of the other things like the skinwalker 1642 01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:50,039 ranch which i think is very compelling 1643 01:13:55,290 --> 01:13:52,719 there's a there was a lot of a lot of 1644 01:13:55,919 --> 01:13:55,300 events that happen over there that don't 1645 01:13:57,899 --> 01:13:55,929 make sense 1646 01:14:00,660 --> 01:13:57,909 and so people try to can lump everything 1647 01:14:03,629 --> 01:14:00,670 together they said well well this can't 1648 01:14:06,419 --> 01:14:03,639 be that this this we have to have some 1649 01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:06,429 kind of a unified theory that makes that 1650 01:14:12,060 --> 01:14:10,449 makes all of this makes sense and I 1651 01:14:13,950 --> 01:14:12,070 think that's a wrong way to approach it 1652 01:14:16,169 --> 01:14:13,960 because I think the phenomenon is 1653 01:14:19,770 --> 01:14:16,179 pluralistic partly because human beings 1654 01:14:22,410 --> 01:14:19,780 themselves and their experience their 1655 01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:22,420 background and what they bring to the 1656 01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:25,090 table is itself pluralistic but not only 1657 01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:28,210 that but maybe the actual root cause in 1658 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:28,960 you 1659 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:34,810 I go there is also of different sources 1660 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:38,290 and we just simply don't know what it is 1661 01:14:42,690 --> 01:14:40,810 and so we we have a tendency to do that 1662 01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:42,700 we have a tendency to lump it all into 1663 01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:44,350 well we don't know what it is so we're 1664 01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:45,910 gonna call it paranormal we can't 1665 01:14:50,730 --> 01:14:48,490 explain it now we need an hypothesis 1666 01:14:54,690 --> 01:14:50,740 that unifies it gives that that makes 1667 01:14:56,940 --> 01:14:54,700 sense out of all of this so no yeah I 1668 01:14:59,130 --> 01:14:56,950 totally I don't just agree with you um 1669 01:15:01,710 --> 01:14:59,140 you know like I said I'm relatively 1670 01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:01,720 agnostic on the whole you falah djegal 1671 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:03,910 sort of issue the phenomenon itself 1672 01:15:08,250 --> 01:15:06,730 um I have you know ideas I suppose and I 1673 01:15:10,170 --> 01:15:08,260 M maybe I have certain leanings or 1674 01:15:11,490 --> 01:15:10,180 biases but I try to remain as agnostic 1675 01:15:13,860 --> 01:15:11,500 as possible 1676 01:15:16,530 --> 01:15:13,870 so I'll play devil's advocate maybe a 1677 01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:16,540 little bit so don't don't take this as 1678 01:15:19,620 --> 01:15:18,400 as you know for the audience don't take 1679 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:19,630 this is this is what MJ bandai's 1680 01:15:23,340 --> 01:15:21,130 believes I'm just playing devil's 1681 01:15:26,910 --> 01:15:23,350 advocate but in regards to the 1682 01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:26,920 phenomenon you know I think while I 1683 01:15:30,150 --> 01:15:28,030 agree with you that you know the 1684 01:15:33,450 --> 01:15:30,160 scientific approach is a valid approach 1685 01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:33,460 I think the issue then is what happens 1686 01:15:38,910 --> 01:15:35,440 and you sort of said this earlier what 1687 01:15:41,970 --> 01:15:38,920 happens when you deal with in this new 1688 01:15:44,340 --> 01:15:41,980 brave world of studying UFOs via science 1689 01:15:46,980 --> 01:15:44,350 what do you then do with all of the 1690 01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:46,990 anomalies that occur within the UFO 1691 01:15:52,290 --> 01:15:49,570 phenomenon because we can't say the UFO 1692 01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:52,300 phenomenon is consistent in any way when 1693 01:15:57,150 --> 01:15:53,920 you look at it as a whole the narrative 1694 01:16:00,090 --> 01:15:57,160 is so varied and so complex that it has 1695 01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:00,100 tons of anomalies like it's an it's an 1696 01:16:05,940 --> 01:16:03,760 anomalous thing with anomalies in it so 1697 01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:05,950 so that's a good quote by the way oh 1698 01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:09,310 yeah thanks so how do then do you like 1699 01:16:16,670 --> 01:16:12,460 what gives your your process the right 1700 01:16:19,230 --> 01:16:16,680 to say or or the ability to say this 1701 01:16:21,450 --> 01:16:19,240 anomaly is legitimate this anomaly is 1702 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:21,460 not well and that's that's I think 1703 01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:23,650 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01:21:28,530 that is difficult because the network 1828 01:21:32,989 --> 01:21:30,629 and search the commercials automated 1829 01:21:36,169 --> 01:21:32,999 yeah so the only thing you could do then 1830 01:21:38,139 --> 01:21:36,179 is buy the first minute of each 1831 01:21:41,330 --> 01:21:38,149 commercial break for up to nine breaks 1832 01:21:43,129 --> 01:21:41,340 and sell anything you want or just talk 1833 01:21:46,929 --> 01:21:43,139 have a conversation with our listeners 1834 01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:46,939 but otherwise it's the power cast plus 1835 01:21:51,709 --> 01:21:49,800 unless I buy the network well that's a 1836 01:21:54,049 --> 01:21:51,719 good idea because then you can send us a 1837 01:21:55,909 --> 01:21:54,059 paycheck every week yeah yeah that 1838 01:21:58,779 --> 01:21:55,919 sounds good I didn't know you're 1839 01:22:01,669 --> 01:21:58,789 independently wealthy I certainly am NOT 1840 01:22:05,359 --> 01:22:01,679 that's I'm saying I when some day when I 1841 01:22:08,389 --> 01:22:05,369 have money when we like when my youth 1842 01:22:10,189 --> 01:22:08,399 illogical career yeah starts making 1843 01:22:13,219 --> 01:22:10,199 money I'm just joking there's no such 1844 01:22:15,589 --> 01:22:13,229 thing making money in the UFO year 1845 01:22:19,429 --> 01:22:15,599 there's a joke when I become the next 1846 01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:19,439 David Wilcock well excuse me and I can 1847 01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:22,649 rob people I mean I can convince people 1848 01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:25,199 to give me their money we get a destroy 1849 01:22:31,359 --> 01:22:28,169 capitalism first I was joking I was miss 1850 01:22:34,129 --> 01:22:31,369 I'm just having fun just have a club no 1851 01:22:37,339 --> 01:22:34,139 so what were we talking about Jean it 1852 01:22:40,540 --> 01:22:37,349 reminds you of what Q said I never joke 1853 01:22:47,209 --> 01:22:44,479 say that let's jump away from flatwoods 1854 01:22:50,689 --> 01:22:47,219 because the mixture of articles that you 1855 01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:50,699 run are interesting you have a article 1856 01:22:54,979 --> 01:22:52,649 on Billy Meyer now let me tell you 1857 01:22:57,020 --> 01:22:54,989 something back in the early days of the 1858 01:23:00,899 --> 01:22:57,030 para cast I don't know if you two were 1859 01:23:03,450 --> 01:23:00,909 listening we had two episodes with 1860 01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:03,460 Michael horn of course the official 1861 01:23:10,620 --> 01:23:06,610 American representative because nobody 1862 01:23:12,930 --> 01:23:10,630 else the job basically said who wants to 1863 01:23:15,390 --> 01:23:12,940 represent Billy Meyer and nobody 1864 01:23:17,700 --> 01:23:15,400 answered and then they said Michael it's 1865 01:23:20,910 --> 01:23:17,710 yours and he said okay cuz he was doing 1866 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:20,920 nothing else I guess now we had him on 1867 01:23:28,340 --> 01:23:24,730 and in the second episode my co-host my 1868 01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:28,350 original co-host debated him or less and 1869 01:23:32,729 --> 01:23:31,330 it got to be a wordy debate I don't 1870 01:23:33,780 --> 01:23:32,739 think it was hard-hitting as it should 1871 01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:33,790 have been but we had a couple of 1872 01:23:37,740 --> 01:23:36,130 thousand messages on the power cast 1873 01:23:41,939 --> 01:23:37,750 forums if you look at Billy Meyer look 1874 01:23:44,580 --> 01:23:41,949 up the early stuff now I wonder here MJ 1875 01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:44,590 Bern is why after all these years did 1876 01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:46,510 you think that Billy Meyer was a topic 1877 01:23:54,330 --> 01:23:52,570 worth a blog about yeah you know I'm 1878 01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:54,340 trying to member how this is I don't 1879 01:24:01,770 --> 01:23:56,280 know how this all started something 1880 01:24:03,810 --> 01:24:01,780 happened where oh man okay I'm gonna I'm 1881 01:24:07,169 --> 01:24:03,820 gonna start with this I think I was on a 1882 01:24:09,540 --> 01:24:07,179 podcast where Billy Lee Meyer came up as 1883 01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:09,550 a top of a conversation to it 1884 01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:12,610 I sort of jokingly referred I believe to 1885 01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:15,310 one of the photographs or a series of 1886 01:24:21,570 --> 01:24:18,760 photographs that were sort of from the 1887 01:24:23,700 --> 01:24:21,580 Billy Meyer sort of collection and I and 1888 01:24:26,669 --> 01:24:23,710 I think I said something on how you know 1889 01:24:30,180 --> 01:24:26,679 they clearly looked fake or or whatever 1890 01:24:32,820 --> 01:24:30,190 and then I I made the claim that Billy 1891 01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:32,830 Meyer was a cult leader Michael horn 1892 01:24:36,090 --> 01:24:34,239 took offense to this or at least took 1893 01:24:37,890 --> 01:24:36,100 issue with it probably take offense took 1894 01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:37,900 issue with it and he on one of his 1895 01:24:40,740 --> 01:24:39,610 YouTube shows sort of called me out and 1896 01:24:43,620 --> 01:24:40,750 said you know I was listening to this 1897 01:24:46,590 --> 01:24:43,630 podcast or this radio show whatever and 1898 01:24:50,129 --> 01:24:46,600 this young Kim is sorry can I 1899 01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:50,139 swear in the show punk you know that's 1900 01:24:56,910 --> 01:24:52,690 as far as you can go I can restate sorry 1901 01:25:00,600 --> 01:24:56,920 edit this young punk whippersnapper yeah 1902 01:25:01,470 --> 01:25:00,610 what is this young pup came out and you 1903 01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:01,480 know called 1904 01:25:05,340 --> 01:25:03,489 Billy Meyer a cult leader and he's not 1905 01:25:07,919 --> 01:25:05,350 and it sort of went on from there and 1906 01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:07,929 and he's just sort of insinuated that I 1907 01:25:11,370 --> 01:25:09,850 didn't know what I was talking about so 1908 01:25:13,410 --> 01:25:11,380 I I don't know how I actually came 1909 01:25:14,259 --> 01:25:13,420 across this at all I was I think I 1910 01:25:16,959 --> 01:25:14,269 literally 1911 01:25:19,299 --> 01:25:16,969 I think I googled myself for some reason 1912 01:25:21,009 --> 01:25:19,309 because I was looking for a podcast that 1913 01:25:22,179 --> 01:25:21,019 I was on I didn't remember the name of 1914 01:25:23,379 --> 01:25:22,189 the show so I just sometimes like 1915 01:25:25,540 --> 01:25:23,389 googled myself and I'll just scroll down 1916 01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:25,550 YouTube and I'll find oh yeah okay this 1917 01:25:30,969 --> 01:25:28,550 is the one and I saw that I was on this 1918 01:25:33,790 --> 01:25:30,979 guy named Michael horn who I had never 1919 01:25:35,889 --> 01:25:33,800 heard of before on his podcast or 1920 01:25:37,329 --> 01:25:35,899 YouTube show I was like why the hell is 1921 01:25:39,429 --> 01:25:37,339 my name here so I clicked on it and I 1922 01:25:41,139 --> 01:25:39,439 watched it you know sure enough he 1923 01:25:44,169 --> 01:25:41,149 starts talking about so then I wrote an 1924 01:25:48,459 --> 01:25:44,179 article sort of about this situation and 1925 01:25:52,089 --> 01:25:48,469 and about billy meier himself which led 1926 01:25:55,209 --> 01:25:52,099 to michael horn then sort of reading it 1927 01:25:57,699 --> 01:25:55,219 and confronting me again over it on his 1928 01:26:02,379 --> 01:25:57,709 show and we had a very long back and 1929 01:26:03,939 --> 01:26:02,389 forth we had several emails that were 1930 01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:03,949 well like you could probably publish 1931 01:26:09,579 --> 01:26:06,649 into a book just going back and forth 1932 01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:09,589 over the billy meier case and him 1933 01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:11,209 provide you know presenting his evidence 1934 01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:18,050 and and and we sort of trying to be at 1935 01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:20,209 times kind and at times I was I was 1936 01:26:24,250 --> 01:26:22,249 probably pretty cutting and I shouldn't 1937 01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:24,260 have been I'm trying to be a nice person 1938 01:26:29,109 --> 01:26:26,449 and anyway we had a bit of a 1939 01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:29,119 disagreement I grow this blog post he 1940 01:26:33,579 --> 01:26:31,369 then posted on my blog I responded and 1941 01:26:36,129 --> 01:26:33,589 anyway after a series of emails we 1942 01:26:38,139 --> 01:26:36,139 decided to just sort of shake hands and 1943 01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:38,149 leave things sort of amicably between us 1944 01:26:41,619 --> 01:26:40,159 and you can sort of if you actually read 1945 01:26:44,319 --> 01:26:41,629 the blog post and then you sort of read 1946 01:26:46,569 --> 01:26:44,329 the essay that exists after in the 1947 01:26:50,409 --> 01:26:46,579 comments section it ends quite nicely 1948 01:26:54,009 --> 01:26:50,419 where he and I we reach an agreed to 1949 01:26:56,139 --> 01:26:54,019 disagree Concord and that's it yeah I'd 1950 01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:56,149 say that's the agree I'm right and 1951 01:27:01,329 --> 01:26:58,639 you're wrong agreement to disagree I've 1952 01:27:05,319 --> 01:27:01,339 had to deal with that in the past and I 1953 01:27:09,579 --> 01:27:05,329 have to say I'm read your blog and you a 1954 01:27:12,459 --> 01:27:09,589 very poignant you say here is where he's 1955 01:27:13,929 --> 01:27:12,469 committing fraud here but because I know 1956 01:27:16,599 --> 01:27:13,939 what you're doing you're looking at the 1957 01:27:18,459 --> 01:27:16,609 social aspect of it you know yeah this 1958 01:27:20,409 --> 01:27:18,469 is not interesting to you from a point 1959 01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:20,419 of view of whether it's actually true or 1960 01:27:26,300 --> 01:27:22,249 not and I think that's the part where 1961 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:26,310 you you can sort of have a detached 1962 01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:28,570 perspective and I think that's a very 1963 01:27:34,020 --> 01:27:31,810 good thing and I find it amusing because 1964 01:27:36,630 --> 01:27:34,030 I mean I wouldn't give this guy the time 1965 01:27:38,610 --> 01:27:36,640 of day I would just simply throw him in 1966 01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:38,620 the garbage bin with everything else 1967 01:27:44,430 --> 01:27:41,650 with the Adamski's and all that the the 1968 01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:44,440 people that they just want to I mean 1969 01:27:49,260 --> 01:27:46,780 this guy this guy lives off of people 1970 01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:49,270 he's got people that basically are his 1971 01:27:53,820 --> 01:27:51,490 slip I'm sorry I'm not gonna say this 1972 01:27:54,810 --> 01:27:53,830 probably shouldn't but they work for him 1973 01:27:57,090 --> 01:27:54,820 okay 1974 01:27:59,760 --> 01:27:57,100 he they don't get paid they're basically 1975 01:28:02,870 --> 01:27:59,770 part of his cult and they work on his 1976 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:02,880 farm and they live with him and I just 1977 01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:06,010 you know I I read your blog and I think 1978 01:28:10,740 --> 01:28:08,110 you're being very nice and you are very 1979 01:28:14,370 --> 01:28:10,750 nice but you're also pointing out that 1980 01:28:16,170 --> 01:28:14,380 hey this is not right this is or you 1981 01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:16,180 know this is something that is that is 1982 01:28:22,770 --> 01:28:20,050 not a real thing this is a Nikon you say 1983 01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:22,780 this is Amir he is merely an icon an 1984 01:28:30,060 --> 01:28:27,040 image an object that people have that's 1985 01:28:32,820 --> 01:28:30,070 the self creating a collective reality 1986 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:32,830 between people yeah thank you for your 1987 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:36,010 kind words I also sort of I think as I 1988 01:28:41,610 --> 01:28:37,930 sort of sit here reflect on it and I 1989 01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:41,620 think Billy Meyer is similar to sort of 1990 01:28:47,100 --> 01:28:44,410 what we have today in the UFO sort of 1991 01:28:50,010 --> 01:28:47,110 community right we have these characters 1992 01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:50,020 these icons these sort of images and 1993 01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:52,630 again I sort of pick on the same crew 1994 01:28:56,910 --> 01:28:54,400 all the time but it's just it's so easy 1995 01:29:00,420 --> 01:28:56,920 you know the David Wilcock the Corey 1996 01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:00,430 good's the Steven careers there's a lot 1997 01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:02,560 more I could pick on but I don't want to 1998 01:29:07,020 --> 01:29:05,650 get you know too much I don't be sort of 1999 01:29:08,370 --> 01:29:07,030 troll too much after this I'm just going 2000 01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:08,380 to limit to those three but you know 2001 01:29:13,290 --> 01:29:09,690 there's a lot of you out there but 2002 01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:13,300 really what they are is is they're not 2003 01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:15,520 cult leaders necessarily but they are 2004 01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:18,880 these sort of I don't know like they're 2005 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:20,560 actors right like it is maybe that's the 2006 01:29:25,380 --> 01:29:22,330 appropriate term they're actors they 2007 01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:25,390 pretend to be something again we can 2008 01:29:31,740 --> 01:29:27,040 argue whether they actually believe it 2009 01:29:33,540 --> 01:29:31,750 or not but they act in a certain way and 2010 01:29:36,090 --> 01:29:33,550 they act their storyline out they act 2011 01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:36,100 there's sort of little role and then 2012 01:29:40,370 --> 01:29:38,650 they they sort of reap the benefit of 2013 01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:40,380 this 2014 01:29:44,940 --> 01:29:43,450 there's definitely a benefit I mean 2015 01:29:47,010 --> 01:29:44,950 unfortunately they can muster a 2016 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:47,020 significant amount of people to then go 2017 01:29:53,940 --> 01:29:51,730 after you if if they don't like you the 2018 01:29:57,450 --> 01:29:53,950 the the inherent problem for billy meier 2019 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01:34:56,630 this is ugly 2117 01:35:12,570 --> 01:35:00,030 are you listening to the podcast the 2118 01:35:16,900 --> 01:35:15,400 now this is also part of the problem 2119 01:35:19,150 --> 01:35:16,910 when you expose people like a billy 2120 01:35:22,020 --> 01:35:19,160 meier or even when you expose somebody 2121 01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:22,030 like Phil and Bragg know for having fake 2122 01:35:26,530 --> 01:35:24,050 educational credentials and a faked 2123 01:35:29,530 --> 01:35:26,540 military record what happens is they 2124 01:35:31,780 --> 01:35:29,540 disappear for a while or they fade into 2125 01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:31,790 obscurity and then young people 2126 01:35:38,380 --> 01:35:35,690 rediscover them I got for example a few 2127 01:35:40,660 --> 01:35:38,390 years ago an email ask him if I wanted 2128 01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:40,670 to bring on someone who runs an 2129 01:35:46,270 --> 01:35:43,520 organization that follows the late 2130 01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:46,280 George Adamski and I gave them chapter 2131 01:35:52,770 --> 01:35:49,610 and verse about how Adamski was exposed 2132 01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:52,780 over the years and including the 1957 2133 01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:57,290 1957 saucer news special edition where 2134 01:36:02,530 --> 01:35:59,840 they exposed George Adamski Jim Mosley 2135 01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:02,540 and his crew and they acted like I never 2136 01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:06,070 heard of any of this stuff so they just 2137 01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:09,110 resurrected George Adamski or maybe it 2138 01:36:13,450 --> 01:36:10,730 was Bela Lugosi you take the stake out 2139 01:36:14,830 --> 01:36:13,460 of his heart and we had a damn C and of 2140 01:36:17,470 --> 01:36:14,840 course I never put them on the show I 2141 01:36:21,220 --> 01:36:17,480 thought was quite boring to talk about 2142 01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:21,230 1950s contactee in a sense of reverence 2143 01:36:26,830 --> 01:36:23,810 for him now the difference here is that 2144 01:36:28,210 --> 01:36:26,840 Greg Bishop and Adam go rightly are 2145 01:36:28,810 --> 01:36:28,220 doing a book that should be out shortly 2146 01:36:31,450 --> 01:36:28,820 called 2147 01:36:34,030 --> 01:36:31,460 a is for Adamski and they have an 2148 01:36:37,330 --> 01:36:34,040 interesting presentation on the 2149 01:36:39,220 --> 01:36:37,340 contactee movement and that is something 2150 01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:39,230 we should be interested in but get back 2151 01:36:44,740 --> 01:36:42,530 to billy mayer MJ you feel like most 2152 01:36:47,230 --> 01:36:44,750 people do that this guy was a fake from 2153 01:36:49,780 --> 01:36:47,240 day one or is it possible sometime in 2154 01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:49,790 the early years something happened and 2155 01:36:52,570 --> 01:36:52,250 he just tried to milk it for all it was 2156 01:36:55,090 --> 01:36:52,580 worth 2157 01:36:56,410 --> 01:36:55,100 yeah you know I don't know that again it 2158 01:36:58,810 --> 01:36:56,420 comes down to sort of what I personally 2159 01:37:01,120 --> 01:36:58,820 believe and I have no evidence to 2160 01:37:03,180 --> 01:37:01,130 support sort of my claims here so 2161 01:37:07,480 --> 01:37:03,190 whatever I say next I'm speculating I 2162 01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:07,490 think Billy Meyer did have some sort of 2163 01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:10,490 experience whether we can say it's sort 2164 01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:13,280 of like an objectively real experience 2165 01:37:19,300 --> 01:37:16,400 or whether it was like a fugue state or 2166 01:37:21,650 --> 01:37:19,310 something I don't know but I think he 2167 01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:21,660 believes that's something 2168 01:37:26,450 --> 01:37:24,960 well that's interesting you know and 2169 01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:26,460 again I'm just speculating here so you 2170 01:37:30,470 --> 01:37:27,570 know I might be on the wrong side of 2171 01:37:31,850 --> 01:37:30,480 history for this one but I I think he I 2172 01:37:34,250 --> 01:37:31,860 think he does believe that something 2173 01:37:37,850 --> 01:37:34,260 happened to him what then occurred 2174 01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:37,860 thereafter right the god I just I'm 2175 01:37:40,270 --> 01:37:39,330 gonna get an email from Michael horn I 2176 01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:40,280 can feel it 2177 01:37:44,900 --> 01:37:43,290 Michael I'd love to talk to you I've 2178 01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:44,910 made peace and I just don't want to 2179 01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:49,290 disturb no it's fine I understand I you 2180 01:37:53,930 --> 01:37:52,050 have a reading your article you you 2181 01:37:56,540 --> 01:37:53,940 really give him a lot of benefit you 2182 01:37:58,250 --> 01:37:56,550 give him a lot of room benefit of a 2183 01:38:00,920 --> 01:37:58,260 doubt is what I said and I said this 2184 01:38:03,260 --> 01:38:00,930 earlier it's something I've noticed in 2185 01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:03,270 your blog post is that you really do try 2186 01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:06,780 to give people a chance to put forth 2187 01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:09,930 their and try to find something that may 2188 01:38:16,670 --> 01:38:13,250 be real there that may be where they 2189 01:38:19,370 --> 01:38:16,680 really validly believed in something and 2190 01:38:21,650 --> 01:38:19,380 it is real to them and it doesn't matter 2191 01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:21,660 from your perspective because it's a 2192 01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:24,960 part of psychosocial kind of Nexus I 2193 01:38:29,540 --> 01:38:27,360 think for you it makes sense from that 2194 01:38:33,170 --> 01:38:29,550 point of view and I and I think that's a 2195 01:38:36,740 --> 01:38:33,180 good approach sadly though I think there 2196 01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:36,750 are just some people who just want to 2197 01:38:42,380 --> 01:38:40,320 make money or they want to be and and 2198 01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:42,390 you know he can if he wants to email 2199 01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:44,850 anybody he can email me Julia's 2200 01:38:51,380 --> 01:38:47,970 dedicated gmail.com send me an email and 2201 01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:51,390 I'll respond you just asked for lots and 2202 01:38:59,710 --> 01:38:56,970 lots of spam you know what I don't care 2203 01:39:04,280 --> 01:38:59,720 I've got a spam filter and I also have a 2204 01:39:06,350 --> 01:39:04,290 type 300 words a minute so whatever type 2205 01:39:08,900 --> 01:39:06,360 2,000 words a minute so then yeah you 2206 01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:08,910 know I know I know faster than a 2207 01:39:12,530 --> 01:39:09,810 speeding bullet 2208 01:39:15,530 --> 01:39:12,540 in fact I've burned up more keyboards in 2209 01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:15,540 an hour by the way what I just said is 2210 01:39:21,110 --> 01:39:18,210 BS only a stenographer can do 300 words 2211 01:39:22,490 --> 01:39:21,120 a minute so anyways like I agree with 2212 01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:22,500 you I think there are fees and like I 2213 01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:24,690 said I I'm probably the first one who's 2214 01:39:28,700 --> 01:39:27,090 gonna take heat and I I personally 2215 01:39:33,380 --> 01:39:28,710 believe that both David Wilcock and 2216 01:39:35,209 --> 01:39:33,390 Corey Goode are sort of fraudulent so 2217 01:39:39,530 --> 01:39:35,219 whether you know 2218 01:39:42,350 --> 01:39:39,540 it's the next generation of attention 2219 01:39:43,580 --> 01:39:42,360 people I think I think that's what it is 2220 01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:43,590 I think they're in it for the attention 2221 01:39:50,060 --> 01:39:46,560 and and the money and and whatever 2222 01:39:52,130 --> 01:39:50,070 turning it sort of UFO discourse into a 2223 01:39:53,660 --> 01:39:52,140 cottage industry so I I'm prepared to 2224 01:39:55,820 --> 01:39:53,670 say that like I haven't read an article 2225 01:39:58,010 --> 01:39:55,830 yet because well you did it's called 2226 01:40:00,200 --> 01:39:58,020 capita if you're gonna bring in the you 2227 01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:00,210 falah djegal framework if you're gonna 2228 01:40:03,709 --> 01:40:01,890 you gotta absorb it into the 2229 01:40:05,060 --> 01:40:03,719 capitalistic framework which means you 2230 01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:05,070 got to get people out there who make 2231 01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:06,570 money off of something that doesn't 2232 01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:09,690 exist yeah and from from from that point 2233 01:40:14,270 --> 01:40:11,850 of view I think that makes sense 2234 01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:14,280 I think youyou actually outlined this 2235 01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:16,650 scenario I don't know if you realize it 2236 01:40:21,770 --> 01:40:18,510 but when you mentioned it you talked 2237 01:40:24,050 --> 01:40:21,780 about how you know the capitalism the 2238 01:40:27,410 --> 01:40:24,060 capitalistic framework has to either 2239 01:40:29,180 --> 01:40:27,420 absorb it in some way and then and then 2240 01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:29,190 convert it into something that is 2241 01:40:34,700 --> 01:40:34,080 mundane or not and then what's the other 2242 01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:34,710 option 2243 01:40:39,950 --> 01:40:37,199 well I think you've summed it up in your 2244 01:40:41,930 --> 01:40:39,960 quote in the very beginning I think you 2245 01:40:44,540 --> 01:40:41,940 you'd be more likely to have the end of 2246 01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:44,550 the world than the capitalism ending 2247 01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:49,050 yeah yeah I mean that gets back by the 2248 01:40:56,740 --> 01:40:53,010 way I'm sorry to interrupt you there's a 2249 01:40:59,689 --> 01:40:56,750 book by Yuval Noah called the sapiens 2250 01:41:02,510 --> 01:40:59,699 which is a very interesting book on the 2251 01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:02,520 notion of the on how capitalism as a 2252 01:41:08,620 --> 01:41:04,530 belief system is actually the world's 2253 01:41:12,170 --> 01:41:08,630 largest religion the belief that money 2254 01:41:14,330 --> 01:41:12,180 the belief and money and credit and and 2255 01:41:15,380 --> 01:41:14,340 fiat currency which by the way I'm not 2256 01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:15,390 against it 2257 01:41:21,410 --> 01:41:18,480 because it's again the society creates 2258 01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:21,420 its own reality by agreeing to it and 2259 01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:24,449 and he talks about it as being a kind of 2260 01:41:30,170 --> 01:41:27,360 a motivating force of capitalism it's a 2261 01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:30,180 very interesting book I highly recommend 2262 01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:32,850 it yeah no III do agree I think 2263 01:41:39,020 --> 01:41:34,650 capitalism is a religion I think it has 2264 01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:39,030 its own dogma so yeah it's interesting 2265 01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:40,560 because again from a youthful logical 2266 01:41:45,410 --> 01:41:42,000 standpoint from from sort of the UFO 2267 01:41:48,050 --> 01:41:45,420 subcultural standpoint you know the 2268 01:41:48,930 --> 01:41:48,060 those characters in ufology that deserve 2269 01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:48,940 the talking heads 2270 01:41:53,340 --> 01:41:50,560 the they could say that maybe the the 2271 01:41:56,189 --> 01:41:53,350 frauds who are in it for the cottage 2272 01:41:58,020 --> 01:41:56,199 industry what really surprises me and 2273 01:42:02,729 --> 01:41:58,030 what really I find interesting and 2274 01:42:07,229 --> 01:42:02,739 compelling is why do members of the UFO 2275 01:42:09,060 --> 01:42:07,239 community why do they stand for it you 2276 01:42:10,350 --> 01:42:09,070 know when it was announced that Corey 2277 01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:10,360 Goode as participating in the MUFON 2278 01:42:16,050 --> 01:42:14,530 symposium why did people at why did sort 2279 01:42:18,300 --> 01:42:16,060 of members of MUFON attend 2280 01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:18,310 right as a member of MUFON one would 2281 01:42:25,170 --> 01:42:20,800 think you would sort of believe in a 2282 01:42:26,700 --> 01:42:25,180 more scientific aspects of ufology to 2283 01:42:29,100 --> 01:42:26,710 which sort of core good is that dirt is 2284 01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:29,110 sort of the perfect add and antithesis 2285 01:42:35,820 --> 01:42:32,770 to the scientific aspect of ufology as 2286 01:42:40,590 --> 01:42:35,830 is david wilcock so so we have this 2287 01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:40,600 strange we have this strange kind of and 2288 01:42:49,229 --> 01:42:46,090 curious what's the word tendency in the 2289 01:42:51,300 --> 01:42:49,239 UFO community to just say well the 2290 01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:51,310 talking heads are gonna talk and that's 2291 01:42:55,620 --> 01:42:53,650 okay or we forgive them for doing that 2292 01:42:59,610 --> 01:42:55,630 right like we forgive the fact that a 2293 01:43:03,300 --> 01:42:59,620 conference like contact in the desert 2294 01:43:05,790 --> 01:43:03,310 exists and it's you know what i mean 2295 01:43:09,180 --> 01:43:05,800 like it seems like contact in the desert 2296 01:43:11,729 --> 01:43:09,190 is this it's just sort of Wild West of 2297 01:43:13,290 --> 01:43:11,739 ideology where where anyone can say 2298 01:43:14,729 --> 01:43:13,300 anything and and in fact the vast 2299 01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:14,739 majority of the speakers that contact in 2300 01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:15,850 the desert and disagree with one another 2301 01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:18,610 right like one attends contact in the 2302 01:43:22,740 --> 01:43:20,650 desert and they go to 15 different 2303 01:43:24,300 --> 01:43:22,750 lectures and all 15 are in total 2304 01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:24,310 opposition to one another right because 2305 01:43:28,860 --> 01:43:26,610 ultimately everyone's pitching their own 2306 01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:28,870 ideology and philosophy and half the 2307 01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:30,850 time you know they called the guy 2308 01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:32,290 literally in the other room or not the 2309 01:43:37,380 --> 01:43:34,000 other room the guy in the other tent a 2310 01:43:39,209 --> 01:43:37,390 fraud just by default because you know 2311 01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:39,219 they're saying I'm right and everyone 2312 01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:42,400 else is wrong so and for some reason in 2313 01:43:46,890 --> 01:43:43,930 in the UFO discourse we allow this to 2314 01:43:48,420 --> 01:43:46,900 occur right we want to sort of and I 2315 01:43:51,620 --> 01:43:48,430 find this strange I find this weird that 2316 01:43:54,270 --> 01:43:51,630 we have no problem with this going on 2317 01:43:58,020 --> 01:43:54,280 this sort of lack of criticism and 2318 01:44:00,120 --> 01:43:58,030 critical thinking sort of exists well so 2319 01:44:02,229 --> 01:44:00,130 it says it's as you said it's the 2320 01:44:04,089 --> 01:44:02,239 democratization of information 2321 01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:04,099 it's that double-edged sword that comes 2322 01:44:11,739 --> 01:44:08,239 down and who you allow any voice to come 2323 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:11,749 in and and even if it rally if it goes 2324 01:44:18,819 --> 01:44:14,050 to the level of anarchy and cacophony 2325 01:44:21,819 --> 01:44:18,829 cacophony in other words as long as it's 2326 01:44:25,450 --> 01:44:21,829 something that is what what maybe I 2327 01:44:28,930 --> 01:44:25,460 guess and I'm maybe I'm it's just as a 2328 01:44:31,930 --> 01:44:28,940 reminder is that well what did they all 2329 01:44:34,270 --> 01:44:31,940 have in common and that's probably that 2330 01:44:37,779 --> 01:44:34,280 they don't that they all distrust some 2331 01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:37,789 kind of some form of authority and I 2332 01:44:41,259 --> 01:44:39,440 think that that's probably where you're 2333 01:44:42,669 --> 01:44:41,269 dealing with is that as long as that you 2334 01:44:45,069 --> 01:44:42,679 have something that questions the 2335 01:44:50,229 --> 01:44:45,079 authoritative understanding of reality 2336 01:44:53,620 --> 01:44:50,239 even if it's a scientific one there's 2337 01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:53,630 there's a gathering of 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01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:17,410 little let's drop the billy meier 2411 01:48:21,660 --> 01:48:18,970 thing it used to be though we've 2412 01:48:23,820 --> 01:48:21,670 mentioned billy meier in the forums or 2413 01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:23,830 on the show and it would bring out the 2414 01:48:28,350 --> 01:48:25,840 riffraff or something what would bring 2415 01:48:31,110 --> 01:48:28,360 out people who you know we're fans of 2416 01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:31,120 billy meier and followed him well they 2417 01:48:36,420 --> 01:48:33,760 probably need it's called astroturf 2418 01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:36,430 thing gene you know that term yes its 2419 01:48:41,490 --> 01:48:39,520 connection with the Tea Party the Tea 2420 01:48:44,420 --> 01:48:41,500 Party originally although it became a 2421 01:48:47,190 --> 01:48:44,430 real movement was an astroturf effort 2422 01:48:51,060 --> 01:48:47,200 there was it Freedom Works or something 2423 01:48:53,670 --> 01:48:51,070 like that the Koch brothers into it to 2424 01:48:56,130 --> 01:48:53,680 finance this organization that would 2425 01:48:58,920 --> 01:48:56,140 adhere to their brand of conservative 2426 01:49:00,900 --> 01:48:58,930 principles astroturf thing has been 2427 01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:00,910 around for a long time it just means you 2428 01:49:05,790 --> 01:49:03,130 send this group of people out and they 2429 01:49:08,130 --> 01:49:05,800 spam you see it in Twitter you see it in 2430 01:49:10,890 --> 01:49:08,140 faith you know the same messages posted 2431 01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:10,900 over and over and in and sorry I'll get 2432 01:49:15,480 --> 01:49:13,330 off my soapbox gene we should stay away 2433 01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:15,490 from politics you know how I get when we 2434 01:49:18,780 --> 01:49:17,440 start talking about politics right we're 2435 01:49:21,780 --> 01:49:18,790 not gonna get into politics what we are 2436 01:49:24,900 --> 01:49:21,790 gonna get into however is the political 2437 01:49:27,690 --> 01:49:24,910 aspect of things like disclosure and 2438 01:49:29,550 --> 01:49:27,700 this Tom DeLonge movement that we have 2439 01:49:32,190 --> 01:49:29,560 out now it made a big splash with that 2440 01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:32,200 New York Times article about the secret 2441 01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:37,170 Pentagon UFO study which worked in 2442 01:49:43,470 --> 01:49:41,290 isolation to every other previous UFO 2443 01:49:45,210 --> 01:49:43,480 study like now the Pentagon studying 2444 01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:45,220 UFOs what happened to Project Blue Book 2445 01:49:49,370 --> 01:49:47,170 I mean I would think of I'm starting a 2446 01:49:53,190 --> 01:49:49,380 study whether it's 22 million dollars or 2447 01:49:56,460 --> 01:49:53,200 22 billion or 22,000 wouldn't you at the 2448 01:49:58,800 --> 01:49:56,470 first do research and say let's see what 2449 01:50:00,780 --> 01:49:58,810 we have on hand let's look at the 2450 01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:00,790 records of Project Blue Book let's see 2451 01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:03,010 other UFO cases that might be on file 2452 01:50:09,180 --> 01:50:06,250 over the ensuing decades and then let's 2453 01:50:12,090 --> 01:50:09,190 now do some new research but it looks 2454 01:50:14,430 --> 01:50:12,100 like to me that it was all new like 2455 01:50:17,190 --> 01:50:14,440 nothing ever happened before didn't all 2456 01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:17,200 that money go to Bob Bigelow I guess a 2457 01:50:22,230 --> 01:50:19,570 large portion of it did this just think 2458 01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:22,240 about this now I'm being sarcastic Gore 2459 01:50:25,450 --> 01:50:23,360 facetious or 2460 01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:25,460 I'm being serious you make your own 2461 01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:28,130 decision Bob Bigelow is a billionaire or 2462 01:50:34,050 --> 01:50:30,290 just about a billionaire mm-hmm 2463 01:50:36,399 --> 01:50:34,060 he is a supporter or was a supporter of 2464 01:50:38,530 --> 01:50:36,409 Senator Harry Reid who was the Senate 2465 01:50:40,570 --> 01:50:38,540 Majority Leader until the Republicans 2466 01:50:43,359 --> 01:50:40,580 took over Congress Senator Reid 2467 01:50:46,209 --> 01:50:43,369 instigates this study to get the 22 2468 01:50:49,899 --> 01:50:46,219 million that goes to his pal or his 2469 01:50:51,310 --> 01:50:49,909 supporter Bob Bigelow now no one's 2470 01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:51,320 talking about that money I'll assume 2471 01:50:55,390 --> 01:50:52,850 everything was done on the up-and-up 2472 01:50:58,479 --> 01:50:55,400 or it was just pork I don't know that's 2473 01:51:00,729 --> 01:50:58,489 nothing that's nothing that money that 2474 01:51:03,580 --> 01:51:00,739 they paid that they that that was they 2475 01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:03,590 spent more money talking about it than 2476 01:51:09,220 --> 01:51:06,800 they did actually see I mean I'm being 2477 01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:09,230 I'm joking but I mean that's how much 2478 01:51:13,149 --> 01:51:11,360 money was it was it it wasn't it was 2479 01:51:15,010 --> 01:51:13,159 just a drop in the bucket compared to 2480 01:51:16,930 --> 01:51:15,020 what what we've spent in the past over 2481 01:51:20,979 --> 01:51:16,940 on something like this right this would 2482 01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:20,989 buy what about 312 it seats yeah maybe 2483 01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:24,320 to gold-plated toilet seats for the 2484 01:51:29,919 --> 01:51:28,070 Trump Tower whatever anyways so I'm not 2485 01:51:32,260 --> 01:51:29,929 impressed I don't know why people were 2486 01:51:35,950 --> 01:51:32,270 impressed I think there was a bill of 2487 01:51:39,149 --> 01:51:35,960 goods now I'll be fair I do plan to try 2488 01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:39,159 to have Wesley Cain on the show because 2489 01:51:43,689 --> 01:51:41,330 she helped bring this to public 2490 01:51:47,410 --> 01:51:43,699 attention and see what she thinks and 2491 01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:47,420 why this is something especially new to 2492 01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:49,760 me the fact that it is a study at all I 2493 01:51:57,220 --> 01:51:52,850 guess is interesting but the fact that 2494 01:52:00,879 --> 01:51:57,230 it existed in isolation in a bubble to 2495 01:52:03,700 --> 01:52:00,889 anything else to me makes me wonder what 2496 01:52:05,220 --> 01:52:03,710 was going on here sounds like somebody 2497 01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:05,230 was trying to throw a bone to the 2498 01:52:11,620 --> 01:52:09,679 counterculture trying to I don't know 2499 01:52:13,899 --> 01:52:11,630 you pick up on this MJ what do you think 2500 01:52:16,959 --> 01:52:13,909 I mean I think it was just throwing a 2501 01:52:20,530 --> 01:52:16,969 bone in regards to getting like funding 2502 01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:20,540 for this project yeah yeah I think they 2503 01:52:25,780 --> 01:52:22,250 got sort of the funding that they could 2504 01:52:28,570 --> 01:52:25,790 probably get you know what I mean yeah 2505 01:52:30,340 --> 01:52:28,580 yeah III got you know I can't I can't 2506 01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:30,350 speculate and and I'm sure of 2507 01:52:36,029 --> 01:52:34,250 speculation is is sort of useful here 2508 01:52:37,649 --> 01:52:36,039 because whatever is what we do 2509 01:52:39,149 --> 01:52:37,659 yeah but whatever we speculate is 2510 01:52:41,850 --> 01:52:39,159 probably not the truth right like I mean 2511 01:52:43,770 --> 01:52:41,860 probably not there they probably you 2512 01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:43,780 know if if there's an agenda or there 2513 01:52:49,919 --> 01:52:46,449 steps ahead there they're way more ahead 2514 01:52:51,899 --> 01:52:49,929 than we are I think I think the one like 2515 01:52:55,890 --> 01:52:51,909 oh I'll say a few things in regards to 2516 01:52:58,979 --> 01:52:55,900 sort of the what's called a tip program 2517 01:53:03,359 --> 01:52:58,989 out of the Pentagon I think it's 2518 01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:03,369 interesting that you you now have an era 2519 01:53:10,259 --> 01:53:07,449 where in previous reports I got a blue 2520 01:53:14,339 --> 01:53:10,269 book in the 60s you kind of went on 2521 01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:14,349 pilot testimony and you went on you know 2522 01:53:22,379 --> 01:53:19,050 sort of pretty early radar you know 2523 01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:22,389 radar visual radio visual sightings I 2524 01:53:26,700 --> 01:53:24,010 mean that that was one that was the 2525 01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:26,710 whole the most important sightings were 2526 01:53:32,569 --> 01:53:29,489 the ones that were in visual and radar 2527 01:53:34,799 --> 01:53:32,579 corroborated the visual where is it now 2528 01:53:36,330 --> 01:53:34,809 technologically you know we have 2529 01:53:39,689 --> 01:53:36,340 high-definition cameras that are 2530 01:53:41,850 --> 01:53:39,699 strapped to guns these fighters or 2531 01:53:44,279 --> 01:53:41,860 whatever so you know whatever the plane 2532 01:53:45,810 --> 01:53:44,289 sees or whatever the planes pointed that 2533 01:53:48,089 --> 01:53:45,820 even if it's not playing that the cam 2534 01:53:50,430 --> 01:53:48,099 will pick something up so ultimately you 2535 01:53:52,799 --> 01:53:50,440 not only have sort of radar you also 2536 01:53:55,709 --> 01:53:52,809 have sort of current generation radar 2537 01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:55,719 which is probably a lot more precise and 2538 01:54:01,799 --> 01:53:58,800 specific than then you know 1960s radar 2539 01:54:05,459 --> 01:54:01,809 and you also have the ability to record 2540 01:54:07,259 --> 01:54:05,469 sort of mid-flight sort of footage and 2541 01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:07,269 know that from sort of quite a distance 2542 01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:08,650 I mean you know that some of this gun 2543 01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:10,960 footage camera that we have is is sort 2544 01:54:17,220 --> 01:54:14,050 of an object that's that's nearly a 2545 01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:17,230 kilometer away at time so I think that 2546 01:54:23,819 --> 01:54:20,170 the the interesting thing here is is the 2547 01:54:26,220 --> 01:54:23,829 the quality of evidence has increased 2548 01:54:28,589 --> 01:54:26,230 you still have your pilot testimony 2549 01:54:29,910 --> 01:54:28,599 which has never changed you're still 2550 01:54:32,430 --> 01:54:29,920 gonna have your radar tracks they're 2551 01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:32,440 probably a lot more specific now there's 2552 01:54:36,419 --> 01:54:35,170 there's better equipment but now you 2553 01:54:38,879 --> 01:54:36,429 have sort of the ability to sort of 2554 01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:38,889 capture video as well of these strange 2555 01:54:43,740 --> 01:54:42,159 anomalous objects now I'm not saying the 2556 01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:43,750 videos are amazing I mean there's 2557 01:54:49,370 --> 01:54:45,730 there's no smoking gun that's for sure 2558 01:54:52,700 --> 01:54:49,380 but I think it's interesting that and 2559 01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:52,710 you know within a year or so of to the 2560 01:54:57,500 --> 01:54:54,570 stars being around and his program being 2561 01:54:59,240 --> 01:54:57,510 made public you know three videos 2562 01:55:01,250 --> 01:54:59,250 Declassified that show something 2563 01:55:03,470 --> 01:55:01,260 interesting we can debate what is 2564 01:55:06,530 --> 01:55:03,480 actually in those videos there have been 2565 01:55:07,879 --> 01:55:06,540 there's been back and forth as to what 2566 01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:07,889 sort of those objects actually are 2567 01:55:15,229 --> 01:55:09,570 whether they're posed a ik or not or 2568 01:55:18,110 --> 01:55:15,239 mundane or not but I find it compelling 2569 01:55:20,270 --> 01:55:18,120 only in that we're still studying UFOs 2570 01:55:21,979 --> 01:55:20,280 but we have modern technology to do it 2571 01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:21,989 well and I think as some people 2572 01:55:31,910 --> 01:55:28,650 overstate the the the efficacy of a of a 2573 01:55:33,649 --> 01:55:31,920 cellphone camera I mean anybody who 2574 01:55:36,590 --> 01:55:33,659 knows I mean you can take the most 2575 01:55:38,810 --> 01:55:36,600 prosaic object and oh yeah that we look 2576 01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:38,820 at which is the moon and when in full 2577 01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:41,760 phase and you know big sitting there and 2578 01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:44,130 you can take your phone and you can take 2579 01:55:51,439 --> 01:55:47,040 a picture of it with with and I've got a 2580 01:55:54,160 --> 01:55:51,449 samsung s7 or you can use an iPhone X 2581 01:55:59,959 --> 01:55:54,170 which all right so you know language 2582 01:56:03,140 --> 01:55:59,969 yeah so so you could have a like I said 2583 01:56:07,729 --> 01:56:03,150 you could have an Android camera than s7 2584 01:56:10,629 --> 01:56:07,739 you Shia or an iPhone X and what you see 2585 01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:10,639 is a point of light you don't see a moon 2586 01:56:14,890 --> 01:56:12,570 let me just put this in perspective 2587 01:56:18,260 --> 01:56:14,900 before we get in the platform Wars 2588 01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:18,270 Samsung makes good cameras Alva makes 2589 01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:19,650 good cameras when you look at the 2590 01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:21,570 comparisons of the current models like 2591 01:56:28,970 --> 01:56:25,290 the galaxy s 9 versus the iPhone 10 that 2592 01:56:29,629 --> 01:56:28,980 iPhone X which was by the way one the 2593 01:56:31,790 --> 01:56:29,639 top-selling 2594 01:56:34,700 --> 01:56:31,800 single models of smartphone in the 2595 01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:34,710 entire world and in the December quarter 2596 01:56:42,919 --> 01:56:39,050 one third of all the smartphone profits 2597 01:56:44,750 --> 01:56:42,929 were earned by the iPhone 10 and the 2598 01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:44,760 price which is supposedly high is 2599 01:56:52,100 --> 01:56:47,520 actually less than the most expensive 2600 01:56:56,300 --> 01:56:52,110 Google pixel smartphone okay now the 2601 01:57:00,110 --> 01:56:56,310 point is these two phones the my song 2602 01:57:00,860 --> 01:57:00,120 and the iPhone make good pictures when I 2603 01:57:03,230 --> 01:57:00,870 make that 2604 01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:03,240 the cameras the thing is you still can't 2605 01:57:07,190 --> 01:57:05,010 capture anything more than a pinpoint of 2606 01:57:09,290 --> 01:57:07,200 light the point I'm trying to make Jean 2607 01:57:10,940 --> 01:57:09,300 is that you can take a nice camera you 2608 01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:10,950 can take a picture of the moon and all 2609 01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:12,570 you're gonna see is a point of light 2610 01:57:17,900 --> 01:57:14,450 that doesn't even look like the moon 2611 01:57:18,530 --> 01:57:17,910 will boy this in our next segment we've 2612 01:57:21,500 --> 01:57:18,540 got hurt 2613 01:57:29,540 --> 01:57:21,510 MJ burn is Michael Allen Jean Steinberg 2614 01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:36,250 [Music] 2615 01:57:40,460 --> 01:57:38,730 attack of the rock ODEs has been 2616 01:57:42,410 --> 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that's 803 for no tax or my 2700 02:01:44,510 --> 02:01:42,500 we'd like to hear from you if you have a 2701 02:01:48,500 --> 02:01:44,520 comment or question about the para cast 2702 02:01:51,770 --> 02:01:48,510 sent it to news at the para cast com 2703 02:01:53,930 --> 02:01:51,780 that's news at the para cast dot-com and 2704 02:01:57,110 --> 02:01:53,940 don't forget to visit our famous para 2705 02:02:01,670 --> 02:01:57,120 cast community forums at forum dot the 2706 02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:01,680 para cast com he's trying to imitate 2707 02:02:07,340 --> 02:02:04,770 Bela Lugosi and you can't nobody can 2708 02:02:09,170 --> 02:02:07,350 implicate Bela Lugosi because he created 2709 02:02:11,330 --> 02:02:09,180 a singular image of a singular character 2710 02:02:13,580 --> 02:02:11,340 anyway we talked about cameras the fact 2711 02:02:16,850 --> 02:02:13,590 is we think here this is where the best 2712 02:02:19,670 --> 02:02:16,860 logic is we have the argument here well 2713 02:02:20,890 --> 02:02:19,680 we've got hundreds and hundreds of 2714 02:02:23,420 --> 02:02:20,900 millions of people with high-quality 2715 02:02:27,380 --> 02:02:23,430 smartphone cameras which is the real 2716 02:02:28,940 --> 02:02:27,390 point of it we've got the iPhone we've 2717 02:02:31,340 --> 02:02:28,950 got the Samsung's 2718 02:02:32,690 --> 02:02:31,350 the recent Google's have had decent 2719 02:02:35,810 --> 02:02:32,700 cameras too although only three people 2720 02:02:38,720 --> 02:02:35,820 buy those phones the so we have all this 2721 02:02:40,580 --> 02:02:38,730 stuff and we're not seeing any great UFO 2722 02:02:42,229 --> 02:02:40,590 photos and the reason is because you'll 2723 02:02:44,959 --> 02:02:42,239 just capture a pinpoint of light in the 2724 02:02:47,420 --> 02:02:44,969 sky the only way you'll see a UFO that 2725 02:02:50,180 --> 02:02:47,430 looks like anything distinctive if it's 2726 02:02:52,250 --> 02:02:50,190 basically a close-up sighting and there 2727 02:02:53,990 --> 02:02:52,260 very few of those and as a matter of 2728 02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:54,000 fact that very few good UFO pictures 2729 02:02:59,120 --> 02:02:56,610 over all these years I'm just saying 2730 02:03:01,550 --> 02:02:59,130 that's something you see that you see 2731 02:03:03,590 --> 02:03:01,560 with your own eyes that's gonna be clear 2732 02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:03,600 in your vision that you think is 2733 02:03:08,420 --> 02:03:05,610 resolved you can take a picture of it 2734 02:03:10,970 --> 02:03:08,430 and it's gonna be nothing there's I mean 2735 02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:10,980 I've done I had an example when I had 2736 02:03:16,580 --> 02:03:13,410 you know I had a 75 inch TV moved into 2737 02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:16,590 my media room and we I took a picture of 2738 02:03:20,930 --> 02:03:18,330 it and I took several pictures of it and 2739 02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:20,940 even right there standing up against the 2740 02:03:27,080 --> 02:03:23,370 wall I couldn't get the scale of the of 2741 02:03:29,270 --> 02:03:27,090 how big the TV was and it just there was 2742 02:03:32,180 --> 02:03:29,280 something about the field of view of the 2743 02:03:34,850 --> 02:03:32,190 of the camera that changed the reality 2744 02:03:36,920 --> 02:03:34,860 of what I was looking at in such a way 2745 02:03:39,620 --> 02:03:36,930 that it made it look smaller than what 2746 02:03:41,780 --> 02:03:39,630 it really was and I think a lot of a lot 2747 02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:41,790 of people overestimate the ability of a 2748 02:03:46,250 --> 02:03:43,530 camera to pick up something that they 2749 02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:46,260 think is something that is real and then 2750 02:03:50,180 --> 02:03:48,690 is worth taking a picture of but then 2751 02:03:52,459 --> 02:03:50,190 when they take the picture and you 2752 02:03:53,600 --> 02:03:52,469 consider the lighting and consider the 2753 02:03:55,310 --> 02:03:53,610 you know the time 2754 02:03:57,260 --> 02:03:55,320 you know what they're taking it at night 2755 02:03:59,030 --> 02:03:57,270 for instance you know you're gonna get 2756 02:04:01,250 --> 02:03:59,040 something that doesn't look anything 2757 02:04:03,620 --> 02:04:01,260 near of what they're actually seeing 2758 02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:03,630 with their own eyes that's the kind of 2759 02:04:08,150 --> 02:04:05,850 the point that I'm making about I think 2760 02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:08,160 a lot of people say well you know why 2761 02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:10,530 don't we don't get any more pictures 2762 02:04:15,260 --> 02:04:12,810 that are not you know that why don't we 2763 02:04:16,910 --> 02:04:15,270 have pictures of these things and I said 2764 02:04:18,290 --> 02:04:16,920 well have you ever tried to take a 2765 02:04:20,240 --> 02:04:18,300 picture of something that you thought 2766 02:04:22,190 --> 02:04:20,250 was really awesome but then you looked 2767 02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:22,200 at it you go yeah that didn't really 2768 02:04:26,240 --> 02:04:23,730 come out right I needed to take that 2769 02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:26,250 picture again it happens more often than 2770 02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:28,290 not and if you're involved in a 2771 02:04:32,180 --> 02:04:30,690 situation where something just jumps at 2772 02:04:34,100 --> 02:04:32,190 you and you got to pull your phone out 2773 02:04:35,750 --> 02:04:34,110 of your pocket you got to unlock the 2774 02:04:38,120 --> 02:04:35,760 phone and then you got to push the 2775 02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:38,130 little button it launches the camera app 2776 02:04:42,650 --> 02:04:40,320 and then you got to switch the view from 2777 02:04:45,650 --> 02:04:42,660 selfie because you probably last time 2778 02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:45,660 took a selfie to - taking a picture off 2779 02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:47,610 in the distance from the other side I 2780 02:04:51,260 --> 02:04:49,410 mean by that time you're probably 2781 02:04:53,810 --> 02:04:51,270 looking at something that's not even 2782 02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:53,820 worth taking a picture of I mean does 2783 02:04:57,530 --> 02:04:56,010 that make any sense had it happened to 2784 02:04:59,180 --> 02:04:57,540 me three times I wanted to take a 2785 02:05:00,560 --> 02:04:59,190 picture of something I mean nobody's 2786 02:05:02,120 --> 02:05:00,570 gonna believe this and I take a picture 2787 02:05:05,510 --> 02:05:02,130 of it it looks like crap it's just 2788 02:05:07,100 --> 02:05:05,520 there's nothing there it's blurry it'll 2789 02:05:08,150 --> 02:05:07,110 send me there they're in UFO pictures 2790 02:05:11,750 --> 02:05:08,160 like I used to be a MUFON field 2791 02:05:15,110 --> 02:05:11,760 investigator until I left but wait wait 2792 02:05:18,410 --> 02:05:15,120 wait before we go on why did you leave I 2793 02:05:21,500 --> 02:05:18,420 left over the situation regarding mr. 2794 02:05:24,230 --> 02:05:21,510 venturi and mr. Carson's response so 2795 02:05:25,820 --> 02:05:24,240 that was what caused me to leave okay 2796 02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:25,830 let's go to the things that were 2797 02:05:30,140 --> 02:05:28,530 presented to you the pictures sure yeah 2798 02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:30,150 so I mean you know in my investigations 2799 02:05:34,970 --> 02:05:32,130 you know you would often get people who 2800 02:05:37,190 --> 02:05:34,980 say I took photos of the object I saw or 2801 02:05:39,650 --> 02:05:37,200 the lights I saw and and like you say 2802 02:05:41,300 --> 02:05:39,660 Michael they show you this picture or 2803 02:05:43,640 --> 02:05:41,310 they send you these picture files and 2804 02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:43,650 you know it's just dot in a black 2805 02:05:47,780 --> 02:05:45,840 background and it doesn't matter how 2806 02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:47,790 much you zoom in or you try to fix the 2807 02:05:52,130 --> 02:05:50,250 image you know in your computer it just 2808 02:05:55,160 --> 02:05:52,140 it just becomes a blurry dot on a black 2809 02:05:59,840 --> 02:05:55,170 background and right so I agree I think 2810 02:06:01,400 --> 02:05:59,850 that you say the common skeptic sort of 2811 02:06:02,180 --> 02:06:01,410 responsive well you know everyone's walk 2812 02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:02,190 around the camera in their pocket 2813 02:06:06,860 --> 02:06:03,890 weren't people taking pictures of UFOs 2814 02:06:07,549 --> 02:06:06,870 you know I'm sure people do and at the 2815 02:06:09,109 --> 02:06:07,559 end of the day 2816 02:06:10,939 --> 02:06:09,119 the ones that I've seen it's 2817 02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:10,949 indistinguishable from anything else is 2818 02:06:15,410 --> 02:06:12,570 just a point of light half the time or 2819 02:06:17,810 --> 02:06:15,420 it's a it's a current UFO case I'm 2820 02:06:20,299 --> 02:06:17,820 dealing with consistently and and is 2821 02:06:23,149 --> 02:06:20,309 sort of going into my book is is a 2822 02:06:25,609 --> 02:06:23,159 particular witness she had an object 2823 02:06:28,040 --> 02:06:25,619 sort of hovering above her sort of in 2824 02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:28,050 the distance and and she managed to sort 2825 02:06:33,020 --> 02:06:30,570 of snap a few photos and to her the 2826 02:06:36,770 --> 02:06:33,030 object obviously was quite quite large 2827 02:06:38,540 --> 02:06:36,780 but in the photographs it's this it 2828 02:06:40,970 --> 02:06:38,550 looks like a sort of a grey dot in a 2829 02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:40,980 blue background and it doesn't matter 2830 02:06:47,209 --> 02:06:43,770 what I do to the image it it's just a 2831 02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:47,219 gray dot it just gets blurry so let me 2832 02:06:53,779 --> 02:06:50,159 ask you here are people just shall we 2833 02:06:55,930 --> 02:06:53,789 say optimistic that something like this 2834 02:06:58,970 --> 02:06:55,940 is gonna turn out to be something useful 2835 02:07:01,640 --> 02:06:58,980 sure I have I have to be honest I had 2836 02:07:04,399 --> 02:07:01,650 this one case a friend of mine to call 2837 02:07:07,459 --> 02:07:04,409 you mind Chris rutkowski who's a UFO guy 2838 02:07:10,549 --> 02:07:07,469 oh yeah he's one of our friends here yep 2839 02:07:12,049 --> 02:07:10,559 contacted me over we were sort of 2840 02:07:14,750 --> 02:07:12,059 someone contacted him rather I bought a 2841 02:07:16,459 --> 02:07:14,760 UFO case and and they wanted me to come 2842 02:07:18,859 --> 02:07:16,469 out and check out the video that they 2843 02:07:20,479 --> 02:07:18,869 shot of this sort of object in the sky 2844 02:07:22,250 --> 02:07:20,489 anyway we couldn't get out there but 2845 02:07:24,229 --> 02:07:22,260 they came to my place and I have sort of 2846 02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:24,239 a 60-inch TV so I put on the computer 2847 02:07:28,430 --> 02:07:26,400 and I attached the TV so we could see 2848 02:07:30,529 --> 02:07:28,440 you know on a 60 inch screen sort of 2849 02:07:34,189 --> 02:07:30,539 this video it turned out to be a flare 2850 02:07:36,979 --> 02:07:34,199 but the person was was very hopeful 2851 02:07:39,919 --> 02:07:36,989 because when they zoomed in on their 2852 02:07:41,779 --> 02:07:39,929 camera on this sort of point of light it 2853 02:07:44,779 --> 02:07:41,789 sort of took on the spherical shape and 2854 02:07:46,250 --> 02:07:44,789 there was this flickering and their sin 2855 02:07:47,899 --> 02:07:46,260 of a look it's a flying saucers like it 2856 02:07:49,310 --> 02:07:47,909 looks like a flying saucer oh my god and 2857 02:07:51,740 --> 02:07:49,320 and they were literally in my basement 2858 02:07:53,870 --> 02:07:51,750 vibrating with excitement that they had 2859 02:07:56,660 --> 02:07:53,880 sort of you know a couple you know 2860 02:07:57,950 --> 02:07:56,670 quote-unquote UFO researchers or 2861 02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:57,960 ufologists or whatever you want to call 2862 02:08:02,930 --> 02:07:59,760 us sort of staring at this thing 2863 02:08:05,049 --> 02:08:02,940 blinking and they were they were like I 2864 02:08:07,580 --> 02:08:05,059 said very sort of agitated and excited 2865 02:08:09,890 --> 02:08:07,590 until you know it was sort of pointed 2866 02:08:11,750 --> 02:08:09,900 out to them well it's blinking and and 2867 02:08:13,069 --> 02:08:11,760 that little sort of thing in the middle 2868 02:08:16,609 --> 02:08:13,079 of it that that makes it kind of look 2869 02:08:18,859 --> 02:08:16,619 like a saucer is just your cameras like 2870 02:08:21,020 --> 02:08:18,869 the the lens of the camera like it's 2871 02:08:22,730 --> 02:08:21,030 just a reflection of it 2872 02:08:26,540 --> 02:08:22,740 because when you zoom into a point 2873 02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:26,550 you're gonna see the aperture and so 2874 02:08:30,350 --> 02:08:27,570 we're just tell him it's nothing like 2875 02:08:31,580 --> 02:08:30,360 you you you're just seeing the cameras 2876 02:08:33,940 --> 02:08:31,590 sort of playing a trick on you in a 2877 02:08:38,050 --> 02:08:33,950 sense it's not actually doing that and 2878 02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:38,060 the they were the look on their face was 2879 02:08:42,890 --> 02:08:40,800 awful like they were so dejected that 2880 02:08:44,150 --> 02:08:42,900 they thought they had something and they 2881 02:08:45,650 --> 02:08:44,160 didn't and at the end of the day we 2882 02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:45,660 found out that it was actually the the 2883 02:08:50,660 --> 02:08:49,050 local coastguard was running exercises 2884 02:08:52,610 --> 02:08:50,670 and they were actually shooting flares 2885 02:08:53,810 --> 02:08:52,620 up in the sky and it was a flare and we 2886 02:08:57,290 --> 02:08:53,820 had some confirmation from the 2887 02:08:59,480 --> 02:08:57,300 coastguard so me you know again it sort 2888 02:09:01,130 --> 02:08:59,490 of broke their heart because they were 2889 02:09:03,410 --> 02:09:01,140 sorting all this video to all their 2890 02:09:04,550 --> 02:09:03,420 friends and and you know it's my UFO 2891 02:09:07,070 --> 02:09:04,560 video and it turned out to be nothing 2892 02:09:10,010 --> 02:09:07,080 and it looked like a UFO but it 2893 02:09:11,870 --> 02:09:10,020 certainly was not so for sure people 2894 02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:11,880 definitely spend a lot of emotional 2895 02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:13,920 capital I think on their their sightings 2896 02:09:19,940 --> 02:09:17,130 and their photos and videos well this is 2897 02:09:22,370 --> 02:09:19,950 what you see on YouTube all the time you 2898 02:09:24,140 --> 02:09:22,380 just see points of light in the sky and 2899 02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:24,150 I hope people use a little bit of common 2900 02:09:29,570 --> 02:09:26,610 sense if you see a light in the sky that 2901 02:09:33,890 --> 02:09:29,580 can be anything on camera don't bother 2902 02:09:36,130 --> 02:09:33,900 sending it in save your effort save your 2903 02:09:39,380 --> 02:09:36,140 work this is not going to solve anything 2904 02:09:41,150 --> 02:09:39,390 that's why there's so few UFO photos 2905 02:09:43,780 --> 02:09:41,160 because it's very difficult for the 2906 02:09:47,060 --> 02:09:43,790 camera to capture it where you do have 2907 02:09:49,670 --> 02:09:47,070 distinctively clear UFO photos there's 2908 02:09:51,680 --> 02:09:49,680 unfortunately a fair possibility that 2909 02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:51,690 the photos are faked especially nowadays 2910 02:09:58,280 --> 02:09:54,330 you don't have to dangle you know little 2911 02:10:00,920 --> 02:09:58,290 on toys before the camera oh it doesn't 2912 02:10:03,260 --> 02:10:00,930 like the Lost Creek photo that Jim 2913 02:10:05,420 --> 02:10:03,270 Mosely and grey Barker created like 50 2914 02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:05,430 years ago we are not going to last 2915 02:10:09,890 --> 02:10:08,010 another 50 years if we don't break for a 2916 02:10:12,140 --> 02:10:09,900 little piece of business long John used 2917 02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:12,150 to say that he 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02:15:20,219 say the word you know and by the way the 3043 02:15:27,979 --> 02:15:23,820 last one didn't count so we got a 3044 02:15:31,790 --> 02:15:27,989 question from our forums for MJ from TDS 3045 02:15:35,630 --> 02:15:31,800 R and he said he says it seems to me 3046 02:15:39,080 --> 02:15:35,640 that most people today are still focused 3047 02:15:43,040 --> 02:15:39,090 on the quote objects that are associated 3048 02:15:46,640 --> 02:15:43,050 with the pho phenomenon think TTS a 3049 02:15:51,020 --> 02:15:46,650 video etc lights in the sky seem trivial 3050 02:15:53,180 --> 02:15:51,030 when we consider that in all caps beings 3051 02:15:56,720 --> 02:15:53,190 are reported to be interacting with 3052 02:15:58,959 --> 02:15:56,730 humans animals earth what do you think 3053 02:16:03,320 --> 02:15:58,969 is the reason for the encounter 3054 02:16:06,200 --> 02:16:03,330 phenomena being too far out but the 3055 02:16:09,200 --> 02:16:06,210 objects are quotes safer to talk about 3056 02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:09,210 the mainstream media recently has been 3057 02:16:14,689 --> 02:16:11,760 willing to discuss UFOs but it seems 3058 02:16:17,959 --> 02:16:14,699 that most people are afraid to speculate 3059 02:16:21,590 --> 02:16:17,969 on who's driving remotely or otherwise 3060 02:16:24,590 --> 02:16:21,600 the case of Evan Bryce and Tapan nd 3061 02:16:27,380 --> 02:16:24,600 comes to mind among many others where 3062 02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:27,390 Evans shot a being and it reared in pain 3063 02:16:32,629 --> 02:16:29,370 while other beings were present 3064 02:16:35,959 --> 02:16:32,639 according to Evan seemed to bow and 3065 02:16:38,209 --> 02:16:35,969 kneel before him after the shot there is 3066 02:16:41,570 --> 02:16:38,219 something profound in the notion that we 3067 02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:41,580 are being perceived quote-unquote by 3068 02:16:47,650 --> 02:16:45,120 other intelligences in your opinion what 3069 02:16:50,509 --> 02:16:47,660 are we missing as a species that is 3070 02:16:54,049 --> 02:16:50,519 preventing individual disclosure in 3071 02:16:57,770 --> 02:16:54,059 other words what impact does naivety 3072 02:17:02,000 --> 02:16:57,780 have on understanding all this Wow 3073 02:17:04,640 --> 02:17:02,010 that's a good question yeah okay so I 3074 02:17:05,650 --> 02:17:04,650 would start here I think that's the UFO 3075 02:17:08,770 --> 02:17:05,660 as object 3076 02:17:10,360 --> 02:17:08,780 as he sort of mentioned is safe yeah we 3077 02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:10,370 still leave wiggle room for sort of for 3078 02:17:15,220 --> 02:17:13,040 us to distance ourselves from whatever 3079 02:17:16,990 --> 02:17:15,230 is in charge of that object are 3080 02:17:19,300 --> 02:17:17,000 controlling that object once you start 3081 02:17:23,230 --> 02:17:19,310 getting into beings or some event as our 3082 02:17:25,540 --> 02:17:23,240 intelligence that is like us it raises a 3083 02:17:27,220 --> 02:17:25,550 lot of philosophical problems but 3084 02:17:30,669 --> 02:17:27,230 furthermore it raises I think a lot of 3085 02:17:33,910 --> 02:17:30,679 philosophical anxieties in us we we come 3086 02:17:38,350 --> 02:17:33,920 face to face I think with the idea that 3087 02:17:39,550 --> 02:17:38,360 we are not any more at the top of the 3088 02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:39,560 the sort of the food chain 3089 02:17:45,580 --> 02:17:42,610 both sort of physiologically perhaps 3090 02:17:49,410 --> 02:17:45,590 technologically as well and and also 3091 02:17:52,810 --> 02:17:49,420 just epistemological II we realize that 3092 02:17:55,350 --> 02:17:52,820 there is some other out there that isn't 3093 02:17:58,959 --> 02:17:55,360 us but is like us in some way 3094 02:18:04,570 --> 02:17:58,969 predominantly that it has agency so it 3095 02:18:06,880 --> 02:18:04,580 calls into question our sort of current 3096 02:18:09,310 --> 02:18:06,890 state as being the only ones really at 3097 02:18:12,100 --> 02:18:09,320 the end of the day humanity has for the 3098 02:18:13,959 --> 02:18:12,110 last sort of you know several tens of 3099 02:18:16,090 --> 02:18:13,969 thousands of years you know our species 3100 02:18:18,490 --> 02:18:16,100 has sort of been alone there has been no 3101 02:18:19,480 --> 02:18:18,500 one else since sort of Neanderthals died 3102 02:18:23,470 --> 02:18:19,490 out 3103 02:18:27,430 --> 02:18:23,480 we have always viewed ourselves as 3104 02:18:30,640 --> 02:18:27,440 winning the the evolutionary battle we 3105 02:18:32,410 --> 02:18:30,650 are in charge another being or another 3106 02:18:34,570 --> 02:18:32,420 intelligence that's physical like we are 3107 02:18:36,820 --> 02:18:34,580 or even sort of metaphysical in some way 3108 02:18:39,070 --> 02:18:36,830 but sort of present and can influence 3109 02:18:41,830 --> 02:18:39,080 the physical world around us this I 3110 02:18:45,430 --> 02:18:41,840 think is generally frightening we lose 3111 02:18:48,910 --> 02:18:45,440 our status and we sort of get knocked 3112 02:18:51,790 --> 02:18:48,920 down a peg we realize that there's 3113 02:18:54,550 --> 02:18:51,800 something perhaps greater than us and 3114 02:18:55,900 --> 02:18:54,560 and I think for a long time you know 3115 02:18:57,010 --> 02:18:55,910 humans have always contemplated there's 3116 02:18:58,540 --> 02:18:57,020 something greater than us and it's 3117 02:19:01,570 --> 02:18:58,550 always sort of been like a god-like 3118 02:19:03,640 --> 02:19:01,580 figure but God typically doesn't show up 3119 02:19:07,090 --> 02:19:03,650 and walk around you know your backyard 3120 02:19:09,580 --> 02:19:07,100 and abduct you so you know I think we 3121 02:19:11,980 --> 02:19:09,590 have sort of a on Vivian ontological 3122 02:19:13,690 --> 02:19:11,990 difference yeah I mean unless of course 3123 02:19:16,390 --> 02:19:13,700 there are three of them that come down 3124 02:19:18,730 --> 02:19:16,400 and warn you to get the hell out of town 3125 02:19:22,300 --> 02:19:18,740 before your entire town gets 3126 02:19:24,400 --> 02:19:22,310 to smithereens yeah Sodom and Gomorrah I 3127 02:19:26,830 --> 02:19:24,410 mean you know that's that's a classic 3128 02:19:29,170 --> 02:19:26,840 example you know it's the but yeah 3129 02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:29,180 continue sorry and I think we definitely 3130 02:19:32,740 --> 02:19:31,130 sort of have these moments of sort of 3131 02:19:34,810 --> 02:19:32,750 encounters you know especially in the 3132 02:19:38,650 --> 02:19:34,820 Bible of you know I guess beings 3133 02:19:41,410 --> 02:19:38,660 typically sort of angels that you know 3134 02:19:43,090 --> 02:19:41,420 often show themselves to humans but the 3135 02:19:44,320 --> 02:19:43,100 humans always react sort of typically in 3136 02:19:45,640 --> 02:19:44,330 the same way right usually they're 3137 02:19:48,850 --> 02:19:45,650 afraid first and the angel has to 3138 02:19:53,650 --> 02:19:48,860 typically say don't be afraid right I 3139 02:19:56,801 --> 02:19:53,660 bring you good news right so to answer 3140 02:19:58,750 --> 02:19:56,811 the question I think first in regards to 3141 02:20:00,700 --> 02:19:58,760 the media aspect of the question the 3142 02:20:03,490 --> 02:20:00,710 media is simply a reflection of society 3143 02:20:05,350 --> 02:20:03,500 so whatever anxieties we have as a 3144 02:20:09,580 --> 02:20:05,360 society the media is gonna reflect them 3145 02:20:12,551 --> 02:20:09,590 so if we would much rather I think laugh 3146 02:20:15,610 --> 02:20:12,561 off the idea of an intelligent being or 3147 02:20:18,940 --> 02:20:15,620 the idea of another intelligence because 3148 02:20:21,400 --> 02:20:18,950 that's our only way to cope with the 3149 02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:21,410 possibility that that other intelligence 3150 02:20:26,620 --> 02:20:24,410 exists because if we choose instead to 3151 02:20:29,860 --> 02:20:26,630 accept the fact that other intelligence 3152 02:20:33,160 --> 02:20:29,870 exists wholeheartedly our entire 3153 02:20:35,620 --> 02:20:33,170 perception of reality shifts for some we 3154 02:20:38,140 --> 02:20:35,630 become horribly terrified and for others 3155 02:20:39,610 --> 02:20:38,150 we might sort of become more at peace 3156 02:20:41,980 --> 02:20:39,620 with the universe realizing that we're 3157 02:20:46,030 --> 02:20:41,990 sort of a voice in a chorus and not a 3158 02:20:47,261 --> 02:20:46,040 solo performer but then you start to 3159 02:20:49,540 --> 02:20:47,271 sort of look at the world around you 3160 02:20:51,940 --> 02:20:49,550 differently you you start to stop you 3161 02:20:54,190 --> 02:20:51,950 you no longer buy into the the typical 3162 02:20:59,470 --> 02:20:54,200 narrative that society and sort of 3163 02:21:01,000 --> 02:20:59,480 popular culture feeds you as the second 3164 02:21:03,100 --> 02:21:01,010 part of this question which I really 3165 02:21:04,990 --> 02:21:03,110 actually don't remember now can you read 3166 02:21:07,480 --> 02:21:05,000 the last part of his is the last sort of 3167 02:21:13,591 --> 02:21:07,490 two sentences so what he said is that he 3168 02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:13,601 talked about Evan Bryce in Tappan indi 3169 02:21:18,700 --> 02:21:16,090 m'kay he says comes to mind months 3170 02:21:21,790 --> 02:21:18,710 amongst many others where Evans shot a 3171 02:21:25,030 --> 02:21:21,800 being and it reared in pain while other 3172 02:21:27,011 --> 02:21:25,040 beings present according to Evan seemed 3173 02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:27,021 to bow and kneel before him after the 3174 02:21:32,830 --> 02:21:31,760 shot and his question is there's 3175 02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:32,840 something well 3176 02:21:37,090 --> 02:21:35,120 his statement there is something 3177 02:21:38,800 --> 02:21:37,100 profound in the notion that we are being 3178 02:21:42,760 --> 02:21:38,810 perceived by other intelligences and 3179 02:21:47,380 --> 02:21:42,770 I'll by the way ii dis my mother and I 3180 02:21:50,260 --> 02:21:47,390 both sequentially when I was introduced 3181 02:21:54,639 --> 02:21:50,270 into the notion of the idea that we were 3182 02:21:57,429 --> 02:21:54,649 being that we could be possibly that it 3183 02:21:59,920 --> 02:21:57,439 was a real-world scenario that was valid 3184 02:22:01,900 --> 02:21:59,930 that this was something logically it 3185 02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:01,910 doesn't even matter it could be it 3186 02:22:05,889 --> 02:22:03,290 doesn't even have to be proven it's 3187 02:22:07,420 --> 02:22:05,899 logically possible that there are other 3188 02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:07,430 intelligence in the universe that 3189 02:22:12,520 --> 02:22:10,250 perceive us and that are here and that 3190 02:22:14,500 --> 02:22:12,530 was a terrifying thing he says there's 3191 02:22:16,660 --> 02:22:14,510 something profound in the notion that we 3192 02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:16,670 are being perceived by other 3193 02:22:21,550 --> 02:22:19,760 intelligences and his question what are 3194 02:22:25,719 --> 02:22:21,560 we missing as a species that is 3195 02:22:28,360 --> 02:22:25,729 preventing an individual disclosure what 3196 02:22:31,990 --> 02:22:28,370 impact does naivety have on 3197 02:22:34,179 --> 02:22:32,000 understanding all of this so sure yeah 3198 02:22:36,810 --> 02:22:34,189 and I think you know like he's an 3199 02:22:40,330 --> 02:22:36,820 interesting word but this term perceived 3200 02:22:44,020 --> 02:22:40,340 which is just sort of a curious way to 3201 02:22:47,230 --> 02:22:44,030 put it but I like it because ultimately 3202 02:22:49,210 --> 02:22:47,240 I guess you know not only the 3203 02:22:50,349 --> 02:22:49,220 realization that there is an 3204 02:22:52,450 --> 02:22:50,359 intelligence out there or that it's 3205 02:22:54,460 --> 02:22:52,460 visiting us but perhaps more importantly 3206 02:22:56,440 --> 02:22:54,470 is that that intelligence is obviously 3207 02:23:01,630 --> 02:22:56,450 like he says perceiving us or or 3208 02:23:05,580 --> 02:23:01,640 assessing us or studying us or hunting 3209 02:23:08,110 --> 02:23:05,590 us or whatever we sort of want to say 3210 02:23:10,270 --> 02:23:08,120 and again this comes down to sort of 3211 02:23:12,969 --> 02:23:10,280 power itself and and the anxiety we feel 3212 02:23:17,440 --> 02:23:12,979 by losing our power to something else to 3213 02:23:22,480 --> 02:23:17,450 this other whatever it is so I think 3214 02:23:24,700 --> 02:23:22,490 being naive right is it this is 3215 02:23:26,500 --> 02:23:24,710 interesting it reminds me of like pigs 3216 02:23:27,700 --> 02:23:26,510 in a slaughterhouse right you know the 3217 02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:27,710 pigs kind of walk around their 3218 02:23:30,639 --> 02:23:29,210 slaughterhouse totally unaware that 3219 02:23:32,020 --> 02:23:30,649 they're in a slaughterhouse and then 3220 02:23:34,240 --> 02:23:32,030 eventually they reach a certain weight 3221 02:23:36,099 --> 02:23:34,250 and then the gate opens and like they 3222 02:23:40,630 --> 02:23:36,109 start getting lead to where they get you 3223 02:23:43,540 --> 02:23:40,640 know killed right you know ultimately if 3224 02:23:45,160 --> 02:23:43,550 that's us we're quite happy walking 3225 02:23:46,480 --> 02:23:45,170 around the house or the the 3226 02:23:46,880 --> 02:23:46,490 slaughterhouse because you know we don't 3227 02:23:49,969 --> 02:23:46,890 know 3228 02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:49,979 what we're actually in once we start 3229 02:23:53,780 --> 02:23:52,170 perceiving or understanding or once we 3230 02:23:55,130 --> 02:23:53,790 realize that we're actually walking 3231 02:23:57,500 --> 02:23:55,140 around a slaughterhouse and we're just 3232 02:24:00,410 --> 02:23:57,510 waiting for that gate to open we become 3233 02:24:02,689 --> 02:24:00,420 horribly frightened and and I'm not sure 3234 02:24:04,189 --> 02:24:02,699 if humanity can sort of live like this I 3235 02:24:06,200 --> 02:24:04,199 think that that it's it's it's a 3236 02:24:09,500 --> 02:24:06,210 frightening place to be you know what 3237 02:24:13,219 --> 02:24:09,510 folks before we get slaughtered for not 3238 02:24:15,979 --> 02:24:13,229 good I'm sorry that's a really bad segue 3239 02:24:16,399 --> 02:24:15,989 we got one more segment with MJ the 3240 02:24:19,880 --> 02:24:16,409 Nyhus 3241 02:24:32,470 --> 02:24:19,890 and Michael Allen you're in the para 3242 02:24:35,970 --> 02:24:32,480 cast thank you for listening to GCN 3243 02:24:39,220 --> 02:24:35,980 be sure to visit GC and live.com today 3244 02:24:42,041 --> 02:24:39,230 as you know neighbors web-hosting can be 3245 02:24:45,581 --> 02:24:42,051 pretty cheap but not all hosting is the 3246 02:24:48,310 --> 02:24:45,591 same dream host wins best of awards year 3247 02:24:51,161 --> 02:24:48,320 after year you get unlimited disk space 3248 02:24:53,251 --> 02:24:51,171 unlimited bandwidth and even the low 3249 02:24:56,350 --> 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02:29:10,570 --> 02:29:07,551 slaughterhouse yes kind of reminds me of 3347 02:29:14,291 --> 02:29:10,580 the theory here from some people like 3348 02:29:17,051 --> 02:29:14,301 dr. David Jacobs that there are UFO or 3349 02:29:19,360 --> 02:29:17,061 alien hybrids here he calls some hubris 3350 02:29:23,080 --> 02:29:19,370 because they're human and alien whatever 3351 02:29:26,730 --> 02:29:23,090 and therefore they are here to quietly 3352 02:29:29,950 --> 02:29:26,740 take us over not a shot being fired yeah 3353 02:29:32,051 --> 02:29:29,960 that's sort of the traditional sort of 3354 02:29:33,910 --> 02:29:32,061 materialistic interpretation of the 3355 02:29:35,440 --> 02:29:33,920 extra-terrestrial hypothesis right these 3356 02:29:37,631 --> 02:29:35,450 are physical beings from some other 3357 02:29:40,301 --> 02:29:37,641 planet they're just more advanced than 3358 02:29:43,240 --> 02:29:40,311 us and they are using us for some 3359 02:29:46,120 --> 02:29:43,250 dubious purpose or some nefarious 3360 02:29:48,761 --> 02:29:46,130 purpose rather and again that's one sort 3361 02:29:50,410 --> 02:29:48,771 of hypothesis I'm not saying that there 3362 02:29:51,761 --> 02:29:50,420 are alien beings and I'm not saying that 3363 02:29:53,830 --> 02:29:51,771 we're being invaded I'm not saying that 3364 02:29:56,200 --> 02:29:53,840 what pigs in a slaughterhouse all I'm 3365 02:29:58,660 --> 02:29:56,210 simply saying I think is that once we 3366 02:30:01,091 --> 02:29:58,670 come to terms with the potential 3367 02:30:03,190 --> 02:30:01,101 realization that we're not alone we have 3368 02:30:05,291 --> 02:30:03,200 to then deal with the fact that okay 3369 02:30:07,961 --> 02:30:05,301 we're not alone but but more importantly 3370 02:30:10,421 --> 02:30:07,971 the thing that we're not alone with it 3371 02:30:12,751 --> 02:30:10,431 was potentially better than us is more 3372 02:30:16,720 --> 02:30:12,761 advanced than us and and if it wanted to 3373 02:30:18,610 --> 02:30:16,730 could get rid of us or or you know 3374 02:30:20,770 --> 02:30:18,620 ultimately do whatever it wants I was 3375 02:30:22,421 --> 02:30:20,780 about to say if we're pigs in the 3376 02:30:24,671 --> 02:30:22,431 slaughterhouse they had a lot of pigs 3377 02:30:28,330 --> 02:30:24,681 that they wasted by just letting them 3378 02:30:30,041 --> 02:30:28,340 die by killing each other I mean so it 3379 02:30:34,570 --> 02:30:30,051 doesn't make sense to me the idea that 3380 02:30:36,070 --> 02:30:34,580 they would that would be an agenda I'm 3381 02:30:38,890 --> 02:30:36,080 using this one the slaughterhouse 3382 02:30:41,501 --> 02:30:38,900 metaphor maybe sort of sloppily but the 3383 02:30:43,570 --> 02:30:41,511 idea is that the pigs sort of don't know 3384 02:30:46,060 --> 02:30:43,580 where they are and and you know I think 3385 02:30:47,470 --> 02:30:46,070 the argument that or the question sort 3386 02:30:49,030 --> 02:30:47,480 of poses the same idea right 3387 02:30:50,620 --> 02:30:49,040 the pigs are naive to their reality 3388 02:30:53,410 --> 02:30:50,630 they're naive to the fact that they're 3389 02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:53,420 in the slaughterhouse so if there isn't 3390 02:30:55,210 --> 02:30:53,930 it 3391 02:30:57,969 --> 02:30:55,220 say an extraterrestrial presence and 3392 02:30:59,830 --> 02:30:57,979 we're naive to it it's much easier to be 3393 02:31:01,540 --> 02:30:59,840 naive and simply go about our daily 3394 02:31:03,279 --> 02:31:01,550 lives to walk around the slaughterhouse 3395 02:31:05,109 --> 02:31:03,289 without knowing anything then it is to 3396 02:31:06,760 --> 02:31:05,119 have the realization that you know that 3397 02:31:09,309 --> 02:31:06,770 gate when it opens leads to something 3398 02:31:11,469 --> 02:31:09,319 potentially terrible well I would say I 3399 02:31:17,559 --> 02:31:11,479 guess I was taking it too literally I 3400 02:31:19,659 --> 02:31:17,569 was sorry about that I was thinking of 3401 02:31:20,739 --> 02:31:19,669 literal yeah no I don't mean dealings 3402 02:31:23,859 --> 02:31:20,749 are here to slaughter us what what I 3403 02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:23,869 mean is is is is more so the pigs have 3404 02:31:26,529 --> 02:31:25,010 to be unaware that they're in a 3405 02:31:30,159 --> 02:31:26,539 slaughterhouse right or that they're 3406 02:31:32,199 --> 02:31:30,169 being they're being exploited in some 3407 02:31:35,380 --> 02:31:32,209 way and I did I just don't I don't I 3408 02:31:37,000 --> 02:31:35,390 don't I I have to go back to wondering 3409 02:31:40,840 --> 02:31:37,010 you know these mechanisms of 3410 02:31:44,409 --> 02:31:40,850 exploitation that some some of the the 3411 02:31:47,859 --> 02:31:44,419 theorists theorists people who create 3412 02:31:49,630 --> 02:31:47,869 whatever hypothesis to explain the 3413 02:31:53,170 --> 02:31:49,640 reality that they that they don't 3414 02:31:55,989 --> 02:31:53,180 understand and one is the it always 3415 02:31:57,729 --> 02:31:55,999 comes up is like this it's the well I'm 3416 02:32:00,849 --> 02:31:57,739 looking at right over here Jim Marrs 3417 02:32:04,679 --> 02:32:00,859 ailing and agenda what's the what's the 3418 02:32:09,909 --> 02:32:04,689 agenda I mean he'll read I read the book 3419 02:32:12,370 --> 02:32:09,919 III you know I just wonder what what 3420 02:32:14,859 --> 02:32:12,380 could they possibly need from us or 3421 02:32:20,620 --> 02:32:14,869 could they have not gotten from us 3422 02:32:22,029 --> 02:32:20,630 already right that you're right Amy like 3423 02:32:24,399 --> 02:32:22,039 you say it's a sort of it's a specific 3424 02:32:26,229 --> 02:32:24,409 hypothesis and I think we have to kind 3425 02:32:27,880 --> 02:32:26,239 of you know because it's in to that it's 3426 02:32:30,699 --> 02:32:27,890 just a hypothesis we have obviously no 3427 02:32:34,389 --> 02:32:30,709 evidence really that would sort of move 3428 02:32:36,969 --> 02:32:34,399 Society so totally towards believing the 3429 02:32:39,699 --> 02:32:36,979 hypothesis that sort of aliens are here 3430 02:32:41,290 --> 02:32:39,709 or whatever right we can we can sort of 3431 02:32:44,229 --> 02:32:41,300 debate you know the evidence and we can 3432 02:32:46,510 --> 02:32:44,239 talk about it but you're not gonna 3433 02:32:49,540 --> 02:32:46,520 convince everyone because the evidence 3434 02:32:51,729 --> 02:32:49,550 just isn't good enough or or it's not 3435 02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:51,739 sort of present enough that I would sort 3436 02:32:58,059 --> 02:32:55,130 of alter my life to believe in it but I 3437 02:33:00,219 --> 02:32:58,069 also think that we kind of like you know 3438 02:33:01,659 --> 02:33:00,229 thinking about our own demise right and 3439 02:33:03,489 --> 02:33:01,669 when you sort of think about some of 3440 02:33:05,620 --> 02:33:03,499 these books that have come out or 3441 02:33:07,389 --> 02:33:05,630 theories that exist in regards to sort 3442 02:33:09,130 --> 02:33:07,399 of the evil alien agenda 3443 02:33:11,349 --> 02:33:09,140 you know we kind of dig that right like 3444 02:33:13,059 --> 02:33:11,359 there's a reason why we like and where 3445 02:33:14,529 --> 02:33:13,069 we really like watching end-of-the-world 3446 02:33:17,349 --> 02:33:14,539 movies and why we really like watching 3447 02:33:19,000 --> 02:33:17,359 alien invasion movies right it we as 3448 02:33:20,710 --> 02:33:19,010 humans sort of have a bit of a depth and 3449 02:33:23,050 --> 02:33:20,720 drive I think we sort of like thinking 3450 02:33:24,279 --> 02:33:23,060 about our own death as a species you 3451 02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:24,289 know that's why they're so popular I 3452 02:33:28,389 --> 02:33:26,810 mean there's there's a reason why end of 3453 02:33:31,269 --> 02:33:28,399 the world movies keep coming out all the 3454 02:33:32,019 --> 02:33:31,279 time and why alien invasion movies keep 3455 02:33:34,599 --> 02:33:32,029 coming out all the time 3456 02:33:37,750 --> 02:33:34,609 we find it fascinating at the end of the 3457 02:33:40,179 --> 02:33:37,760 movie we usually win Independence Day 3458 02:33:42,969 --> 02:33:40,189 War of the Worlds even if it isn't 3459 02:33:44,889 --> 02:33:42,979 something that we had control over and 3460 02:33:46,479 --> 02:33:44,899 War of the Worlds they caught a cold I 3461 02:33:49,260 --> 02:33:46,489 was thinking as you were talking about 3462 02:33:54,479 --> 02:33:49,270 alien invasion The Twilight Zone episode 3463 02:33:57,939 --> 02:33:54,489 to serve man yeah which was aired in 3464 02:34:00,969 --> 02:33:57,949 1962 and the star where the star is 3465 02:34:04,859 --> 02:34:00,979 playing an alien was Richard Kiel best 3466 02:34:09,779 --> 02:34:04,869 known in the movies as jaws right yeah 3467 02:34:12,040 --> 02:34:09,789 from bond right bond James Bond 3468 02:34:14,830 --> 02:34:12,050 is that the one where they is that the 3469 02:34:17,889 --> 02:34:14,840 one where they eat us that's what it 3470 02:34:21,399 --> 02:34:17,899 means yeah they make it seem as if 3471 02:34:24,309 --> 02:34:21,409 they're here to show us some great thing 3472 02:34:27,130 --> 02:34:24,319 yeah and therefore we go to their planet 3473 02:34:30,300 --> 02:34:27,140 not knowing that we're going to be there 3474 02:34:33,069 --> 02:34:30,310 food I mean I mean there's there's other 3475 02:34:35,050 --> 02:34:33,079 stories that are told at video games and 3476 02:34:38,019 --> 02:34:35,060 like Mass Effect for instance where 3477 02:34:41,739 --> 02:34:38,029 there's this super intelligent alien 3478 02:34:45,099 --> 02:34:41,749 well it's a it's a it's basically an AI 3479 02:34:49,510 --> 02:34:45,109 that that harvest is human beings over 3480 02:34:52,029 --> 02:34:49,520 over millennia in our galaxy and we have 3481 02:34:57,250 --> 02:34:52,039 to fight against them and they're called 3482 02:35:00,219 --> 02:34:57,260 the Reapers and the that's a that's much 3483 02:35:03,580 --> 02:35:00,229 you know the the thing is is that we've 3484 02:35:06,090 --> 02:35:03,590 we've explored a lot of themes in in 3485 02:35:08,380 --> 02:35:06,100 movies but I think some of the most 3486 02:35:10,510 --> 02:35:08,390 compelling and probably the most 3487 02:35:15,279 --> 02:35:10,520 disturbing themes have been explored in 3488 02:35:18,880 --> 02:35:15,289 videogames it's it's really fascinating 3489 02:35:19,660 --> 02:35:18,890 the idea that human beings are basically 3490 02:36:30,250 --> 02:35:19,670 a 3491 02:36:33,190 --> 02:36:30,260 quietly with deception then to destroy 3492 02:36:35,290 --> 02:36:33,200 us which is the common theme in the 3493 02:36:39,190 --> 02:36:35,300 sci-fi movie the aliens come here and 3494 02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:39,200 they wage destruction on us but if they 3495 02:36:45,429 --> 02:36:43,130 simply is that I hold some stunt so we 3496 02:36:49,210 --> 02:36:45,439 think they're friendly it's a lot better 3497 02:36:51,400 --> 02:36:49,220 I guess I don't see it I maybe I'm 3498 02:36:53,080 --> 02:36:51,410 thinking that that it's easier to just 3499 02:36:55,150 --> 02:36:53,090 push the humans out of the way and get 3500 02:36:57,760 --> 02:36:55,160 to what you need a man let's see human 3501 02:37:00,670 --> 02:36:57,770 beings or what you want I mean does you 3502 02:37:02,020 --> 02:37:00,680 have to understand here we're thinking 3503 02:37:04,300 --> 02:37:02,030 in human terms 3504 02:37:05,860 --> 02:37:04,310 you know let's share it over with but if 3505 02:37:09,010 --> 02:37:05,870 you want to take us over for whatever 3506 02:37:10,050 --> 02:37:09,020 reason without destroying the planet in 3507 02:37:14,290 --> 02:37:10,060 the process 3508 02:37:15,880 --> 02:37:14,300 MJ benaiah thank you so much for joining 3509 02:37:17,410 --> 02:37:15,890 us can you tell our listeners if they 3510 02:37:19,920 --> 02:37:17,420 want to know more of what you do that 3511 02:37:25,260 --> 02:37:19,930 great blog of yours where do they go 3512 02:37:28,179 --> 02:37:25,270 sure you can find my writing at WWF 3513 02:37:30,420 --> 02:37:28,189 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